OTTOMAN EMPIRE CORES

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Ottomans should have cores on like the ENTIRE middle east, north africa, and balkans....If I reform the Ottoman Empire, that should happen!

[Metal Izanagi]

At very least they should have core territory claims on what was lost after WW1. I found it really strange that Turkey doesn't even have claims on Greece.

[Metal Izanagi]

Originally posted by Chad:

so you're saying to me that austria should have cores on half of the east and nobody would complain if they conquered it back? Pretty much the problem with nationalism

I suppose a better way to handle it would be for Turkey to have a national focus tree that relies on them being fascist, that focuses on reclaiming old territory. Kind of like Germany's various war national focii. Austria doesn't get to have any of that stuff, because Anschluss ensures that they're either going to be absorbed into Germany or get crushed by Germany in a war rather early in the game. No point in giving them any sort of attention when they were really just a footnote in the timeline, even compared to other minor nations. Turkey was in a strange position where they'd just lost WW1, and with the right leadership and technology might have had a chance to experience a resurgence in the same way that the Reich did.

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Originally posted by Chad:

so you're saying to me that austria should have cores on half of the east and nobody would complain if they conquered it back? Pretty much the problem with nationalism

if you reform austro-hungarian empire, then yes maybe......I am not saying that democratic Turkey should have cores....I am talking about reformed Ottoman Empire....if the empire was reformed, they clearly would have claimes and CORES on their former territories...

[Metal Izanagi]

Originally posted by Edin:

Originally posted by Chad:

so you're saying to me that austria should have cores on half of the east and nobody would complain if they conquered it back? Pretty much the problem with nationalism

if you reform austro-hungarian empire, then yes maybe......I am not saying that democratic Turkey should have cores....I am talking about reformed Ottoman Empire....if the empire was reformed, they clearly would have claimes and CORES on their former territories...

The only problem with this is that the Neo-Ottoman Empire in-game isn't actually led by a member of the dynasty that ruled the Ottoman Empire. It's just the name that a fascist dictatorship uses, when in reality the Ottoman Empire was a monarchy.

It's akin to Mussolini referring to Italy as a Roman Empire, when he was not in any way a true descendant of the Roman legacy.(Nobody in Europe was. The Greeks were the closest to Roman, because all of western Europe had been mixed up with the barbarian tribes that took over the western half of the Roman Empire for so long that the culture wasn't recognizable as Roman.)

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Originally posted by Metal Izanagi:

Originally posted by Edin:

if you reform austro-hungarian empire, then yes maybe......I am not saying that democratic Turkey should have cores....I am talking about reformed Ottoman Empire....if the empire was reformed, they clearly would have claimes and CORES on their former territories...

The only problem with this is that the Neo-Ottoman Empire in-game isn't actually led by a member of the dynasty that ruled the Ottoman Empire. It's just the name that a fascist dictatorship uses, when in reality the Ottoman Empire was a monarchy.

dont matter, rulers change, the kingdom keeps going...

[Metal Izanagi]

Originally posted by Edin:

Originally posted by Metal Izanagi:

The only problem with this is that the Neo-Ottoman Empire in-game isn't actually led by a member of the dynasty that ruled the Ottoman Empire. It's just the name that a fascist dictatorship uses, when in reality the Ottoman Empire was a monarchy.

dont matter, rulers change, the kingdom keeps going...

Except that's exactly why western Europe was in turmoil for so many years after the fall of the western half of the Roman empire. Nobody could agree on who the "real" successor to the Roman legacy was, and they all wanted their own culture and religion to stand above all else as the "new" empire. The fall of the Roman empire led to even more turmoil than there already was, because it opened the door to all sorts of infighting amongst the newly-formed kingdoms that had claimed various bits of land across the defeated empire. The spread of christianity contributed to this, as you had kingdoms that wanted to follow their old gods fighting with kingdoms that wanted to spread the word of their new god.

[Metal Izanagi]

Originally posted by Chad:

I don't understand, if the ottomans should get cores on their territorry, why shouldn't Austria get his cores if they go facist?

But my actual point I wanted to make is that the previous cores from the ottoman empire aren't truks, they're egyptians, tuniseians, ect, and they don't identify themselves as ottmans anymore, so they wouldn't be as willing to help the nation as much as the turks

That's the same argument that could be put against Hitler's ambitions in WWII, though. He wanted land that wasn't really German territory. Sure, some of the people were German, but that was about it. There were still Turks in the old Ottoman lands, and the people there had lived under Ottoman rule for a very long time. The reason Austria shouldn't get those claims is that Austria /will not survive/ in the current game. Even if they go fascist, Hitler will still declare Anschluss, and either absorb Austria into the Reich or invade them if they refuse. Turkey is under no such threat during one of the earliest national focii.

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Originally posted by Metal Izanagi:

Originally posted by Edin:

dont matter, rulers change, the kingdom keeps going...

Except that's exactly why western Europe was in turmoil for so many years after the fall of the western half of the Roman empire. Nobody could agree on who the "real" successor to the Roman legacy was, and they all wanted their own culture and religion to stand above all else as the "new" empire. The fall of the Roman empire led to even more turmoil than there already was, because it opened the door to all sorts of infighting amongst the newly-formed kingdoms that had claimed various bits of land across the defeated empire. The spread of christianity contributed to this, as you had kingdoms that wanted to follow their old gods fighting with kingdoms that wanted to spread the word of their new god.

yes but the cores/claims are still there....imagine if roman empire was restored...they would have claims/cores all over the mediterranian....roman emperor would literally say, we are taking back our land in gaul....and yes, the french government would probably say no this is france now, but rome still has claims/cores