Countries keep fighting after capitulating

[Antz]

I think countries should stop fighting after they have surrendered. I would also like to be able to make peace with nations after they have failed in their invasion against me.

For example, I played as Sweden and I invaded Finland. UK attacked me and launched an invasion, but I pushed them back. They lost about 500k to my 30k. Their invasion plans have failed and I think they should surrender. It is a pain to invade UK. Also Finland keeps fighting me after they have surrendered. I think I should be able to make peace with them.

[zacharyb]

Why would you surrender if you live on a decent sized island, and have naval and air superiority? There is a reason why they didn't surrender in WW2 you know.

[Nef]

Try taking over everywherre in Western Europe including Eire and the UK, India and the whole of Africa but you no-one will surrender because the US is just sitting across the Atlantic twiddling its thumbs...

[Mansen]

Why? This is not historically accurate. German forces kept fighting in pockets after Berlin fell. Even after the official surrender.

[Antz]

I know but I think in real life the UK would think that the 500k men is a very big sacrifice just to invade a small nordic country.

[ChemKat]

Would be nice if they just made it so nations that have fully capitulated (no more territory left) will be divided up and stop resisting as much. Cause it's kinda silly to have to invade the U.S. Just because they joined the allies before I could finish off the last allied minor nation

[[NL]Ibahalii]

Originally posted by Antz:

I think countries should stop fighting after they have surrendered. I would also like to be able to make peace with nations after they have failed in their invasion against me.

For example, I played as Sweden and I invaded Finland. UK attacked me and launched an invasion, but I pushed them back. They lost about 500k to my 30k. Their invasion plans have failed and I think they should surrender. It is a pain to invade UK. Also Finland keeps fighting me after they have surrendered. I think I should be able to make peace with them.

hmm interesting concept...
i can agree that if a nation captilates, all troops on the 'core'(non colonial) should surrender, as that is littlery what a capitulation is...Fighting forces on that theatre stop their hostalities, and surrender to the forgein power that is invading them.
How ever, Colonial area's of that nation would not surrender(as long as the goverment could reach exile).
Best (un)known example would be the French and the Dutch.
Both nations got taken over and capitulated during the war after the goverments and royalties had flet.
it meant that on mainland France and mainland Netherlands, all fighting was stopped. Divisions surrenderd to their occupier. and life "resumed"
But for both the French(Free-French) and the Dutch(KNIL) stayed in the fights on their colonies, kept trade active, and did what they could to annoy the aggresion of the attackers(Germany/Japan/Italy).
As long as we had a Major power(UK/USA) there was no full surrender. because both the KNIL and the Free-French believed they still has a chance of coming back and restoring order to their country with the aid of major(s) like the UK and USA.

[[NL]Ibahalii]

Originally posted by Mansen:

Why? This is not historically accurate. German forces kept fighting in pockets after Berlin fell. Even after the official surrender.

those where only SS divisions(as far as i know).
And the only reason why they stayed fighting was that they did not believed in capitulation or surrender.
it was either, we will be great, or we won't be at all.

The Wheremacht, Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine did stop all hostalities a couple days after Hitler shot himself.

[Mansen]

Donitz worked very hard to try and make sure it was the Allies, not Soviet who occupied as much as Germany as possible - because he knew how the Soviet treated anyone in the region once they occupied it.

Originally posted by ChemKat:

Would be nice if they just made it so nations that have fully capitulated (no more territory left) will be divided up and stop resisting as much. Cause it's kinda silly to have to invade the U.S. Just because they joined the allies before I could finish off the last allied minor nation

Oh you mean like how Japan had to be nuked to end WW2?

[[NL]Ibahalii]

Originally posted by Mansen:

Donitz worked very hard to try and make sure it was the Allies, not Soviet who occupied as much as Germany as possible - because he knew how the Soviet treated anyone in the region once they occupied it.

Oh you mean like how Japan had to be nuked to end WW2?

true,....they kept fighting the Russians, but they did allow the allied commands to advance enourmous amounts in a short time, by surrending to them.
that was the goal of the Wheremacht, Luftwaffe, Kriegsmarine soldiers when the capitulated.
So still a surrender. not to the Russians how ever

[Mansen]

And that is my point - Even though the country had surrended, you still had pockets of resistance fighters hellbent on fighting till their death, and some commanders with some final plans they desperatedly tried to go through with.

(And since making a system where an army is only hostile to some enemies is such a waste of time to do for edge cases like this...)

Conclusion - Just because a country surrenders officially, doesn't mean their armies necessarily agree initially. Though I agree that if you start to surround and starve out these pockets, they should be inclined to surrender over time.

[Nef]

There's a fairly common mechanic in hex and counter games for the US to pull out of the European war, even the Pacific in some cases, if things get too hairly. Guess it all depends on if the US are still isolationist or turned into the current day World Police by that point.

[Antz]

But if the british fails considerably to invade me, I want to make white peace. That should be an option. If it was real life, I highly doubt that the british would continue to invade after seeing such high losses in men compared to mine. They should abandon those plans just like Nazi-Germany did with the invasion of Britain.

[Duke Flapjack]

Originally posted by Antz:

But if the british fails considerably to invade me, I want to make white peace. That should be an option. If it was real life, I highly doubt that the british would continue to invade after seeing such high losses in men compared to mine. They should abandon those plans just like Nazi-Germany did with the invasion of Britain.

The Nazis abandoned their attempts to invade the UK, but did not surrender to them because of that. I will admit, the game mechanic of total war can be a bit weird sometimes, but that was the philosophy of the time.