The faction system is stupid.

[SolviteSekai]

>Declare War on Japan
>Japan joins Axis on the other side of the world.
>Capture literally every province under Japanese control, Germany getting destroyed in Europe.
>I then have to cross the entire continent to fight Germany because Japan cant surrender alone.

[lance10ca]

Worse, WWII proper is over and because the Sov's are part of your faction you can't go to war.

[Exarch_Alpha]

Well you put them there because you wanted...

[lance10ca]

I wanted my Eastern front secure, and I wanted to break it after. The bastards didn't really do anything except take Washington and then claim the entire eastern seaboard industrial belt as their own puppet.

After I'd slogged all through the UK, Iceland, Greenland, Nfld and into N.America proper. had a great front from Ontario down into N.York...then the Ruskies landed, took about three zones and that's all they could hold.

[AmpleNickel4262]

Pisses me off royally. As Germany. I staged a fascist coup in Belgium. Japan joins faction. Belgium still ins't in faction. Japan declares war on US. I accept call to arms. I have Italy, Romania, Austria, Japan, couple Chinese puppets in faction. Start pushing on Maginot line once France and Uk ally with US finally. Japan accepts Belgium join faction. I'm pushing through the ONE province below Luxemburg into France and then take almost all the France below Belgium and yet when I hit Paris all this land behind me turns into Belgium's land. I have a thing half circle of land now even though I've taken all of North East France all way up to a one province wide snake of a Maginot Line. Yet half of it is Belgium.... somehow? Maybe because I took part of it with a 13 division Belgium expeditionary force? ♥♥♥♥ is pissing me off. Haha

[Preszburg]

Gotta agree

[Metal Izanagi]

Have an example of the stupid border gore the AI pulls in peace conferences, aka why I absolutely hate the way peace conferences work right now:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=707189767

[SolviteSekai]

Originally posted by Metal Izanagi:

Have an example of the stupid border gore the AI pulls in peace conferences, aka why I absolutely hate the way peace conferences work right now:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=707189767

Originally posted by Metal Izanagi:

Have an example of the stupid border gore the AI pulls in peace conferences, aka why I absolutely hate the way peace conferences work right now:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=707189767

This actually looks pretty clean.

[Bulletmagnet578]

Originally posted by French Catholic:

The biggest problem is when you declare war for getting a land, and every country in the world declare war, you can't finish this war when you took what you aimed for.

You need to destroy the world for getting 1 small things.

If there were a peace conference each time you get the objectiv or when a country surrender, it would resolve the land sharing problems, and the infinity wars problems

i know as soon as you go to war with anyone they just a faction. i was going to declare war on greese but before i did italy did (not in the axis) then greese asked to join me. so i let them then of all countrys italy joins the allies. how does that work?

[Erik_Rex]

Originally posted by Bulletmagnet578:

Originally posted by French Catholic:

The biggest problem is when you declare war for getting a land, and every country in the world declare war, you can't finish this war when you took what you aimed for.

You need to destroy the world for getting 1 small things.

If there were a peace conference each time you get the objectiv or when a country surrender, it would resolve the land sharing problems, and the infinity wars problems

i know as soon as you go to war with anyone they just a faction. i was going to declare war on greese but before i did italy did (not in the axis) then greese asked to join me. so i let them then of all countrys italy joins the allies. how does that work?

if you are not in a faction when you go to war agenst someone they will not join a faction, but if you are in a faction when you decleare war, the will join one too as defence.

[Divine]

Dafuq at the stupid map.... 0_o

Ai sure is beyond retarded in this game lol. And yes, i hate how declaring war just to take one country results in the target joining a faction and then suddenly i must fight everyone in that stupid faction. War never ends this way since ultimately you end up having to conquer everyone

paradox pls.

[Bridger]

Originally posted by Bulletmagnet578:

Originally posted by French Catholic:

The biggest problem is when you declare war for getting a land, and every country in the world declare war, you can't finish this war when you took what you aimed for.

You need to destroy the world for getting 1 small things.

If there were a peace conference each time you get the objectiv or when a country surrender, it would resolve the land sharing problems, and the infinity wars problems

i know as soon as you go to war with anyone they just a faction. i was going to declare war on greese but before i did italy did (not in the axis) then greese asked to join me. so i let them then of all countrys italy joins the allies. how does that work?

I don't understand your problem? Italy winds up at war with a giant faction and seeks powerful allies of their own so joins another faction for protection. How does that not make sense?

As for the OP, the faction war system is specifically designed to simulate WWII. The germans didn't get to annex poland after they took it. They didn't get to annex france after they took it. They had to continue fighting the war until the rest of Poland and France's allies gave up. This is exactly the same as other PDX games (you can't end the war and annex Savoie if you're still at war with France). The major powers of the faction you're at war with help supply and incite rebellion in your occupied territories. Until those faction leaders are delt with, you'll have problems in the occupied territories, similar to historical Polish, French, Soviet, and Yugoslavian partisan movements.

[[NL]Ibahalii]

Originally posted by French Catholic:

The biggest problem is when you declare war for getting a land, and every country in the world declare war, you can't finish this war when you took what you aimed for.

You need to destroy the world for getting 1 small things.

If there were a peace conference each time you get the objectiv or when a country surrender, it would resolve the land sharing problems, and the infinity wars problems

You get a peace conferance everytime a country surrenders...
Its just that one you get this whole AXIS, Allies, Soviot Union thing snowballing allong.
Countries rarely surrender, but they capitulate.
meaning that they give up their homelands(for now) but will come back with allies(axis, ussr, allies). to take it back.
World tention has to do with how quickly countries join another faction. as much as what type of goverment etc.

But thats all de-railing it from the OP.
faction system should be fixed, is nothing else but true.

[Metal Izanagi]

Originally posted by Panic at the Gay Club:

Originally posted by Metal Izanagi:

Have an example of the stupid border gore the AI pulls in peace conferences, aka why I absolutely hate the way peace conferences work right now:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=707189767

Originally posted by Metal Izanagi:

Have an example of the stupid border gore the AI pulls in peace conferences, aka why I absolutely hate the way peace conferences work right now:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=707189767

This actually looks pretty clean.

Right, forgot to give some context for why it's a mess.

From a post I made on the Paradox forums:


I was playing as Turkey and somehow Italy grabbed a bunch of land on my border, including a bunch that I fought for and occupied on my own. I wasn't even in the war alongside the Axis! I was in my own war against the Soviets, because I wanted to take things without having the AI pull this crap on me. That's not the worst part, though. The worst part is that the land Italy took doesn't even have a port on the bit bordering the Black Sea. Italy cannot even reach its own spoils from the war without going through either my territory, Germany's territory, or building a port so it can actually transfer troops over. Oh, and that Russian Empire? That's a puppet of...Nationalist Spain. They used all of their warscore to make a puppet out of a bunch of arctic wasteland so far away from their own borders that to get troops over to it, they'll either have to cross two oceans or cross all of Europe and Asia.