Hearts of Iron IV

Hearts of Iron IV

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Simplicius 2016 年 6 月 16 日 下午 4:05
Playing as Ireland
Hey everyone, I'm planning on playing as Ireland and aligning with the Axis. My goal is to retake northern ireland, and maybe the Isle of Mann. I would then like to contribute as many resources as i can to bombing the English into surrender.

Obviously I'm at a few massive disadvantages: Low manpower, lack of resources, and a lack of factories. I think that eventually with the ability to build rockets I could make myself a major thorn in the side of the British empire.

Anyone have any thoughts or strategies?
最後修改者:Simplicius; 2016 年 6 月 16 日 下午 4:06
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[NL]Ibahalii 2016 年 6 月 16 日 下午 4:15 
Fort up your border with England.
Make INF divisions with loads of ART.
and enough fighters to protect against the RAF.

If you can spare it.
Make Naval bombers to help with the destruction of the Royal Navy.
protect port cities from invasion(as long as they have no port or connected states, they get no supplies(and thus are easily beaten).
when you feel confidant enough, make bombers, bomb the main land with fighter support.
be sure to actually invade the UK(otherwise very little to no warscore and you can get the north, let alone the isle of Mann).
send all equipment you are over producing to the Axis via leant-lease

enjoy the game :)
[NL]Ibahalii 2016 年 6 月 16 日 下午 4:16 
as a side note, if you can help germany get rid of the UK before the USA joins the war its easy.
After the USA joins,..you are bound to lose
Rabob 2016 年 6 月 16 日 下午 4:22 
- Don't build naval dockyards (you need mil factories), set all your docks on convoys (so you can get the resources via trade and for later invasions)
- Spam fighters until you rule the skies vs the Allies
- Then start spamming naval bombers
- After that build a few ships so you can plan an invasion (preferably subs).

You could also stay out of the axis at first and just invade small independent countries (Liberia? :D).
Tiberius 2016 年 6 月 16 日 下午 4:38 
引用自 RainDog
Hey everyone, I'm planning on playing as Ireland and aligning with the Axis. My goal is to retake northern ireland, and maybe the Isle of Mann. I would then like to contribute as many resources as i can to bombing the English into surrender.

Obviously I'm at a few massive disadvantages: Low manpower, lack of resources, and a lack of factories. I think that eventually with the ability to build rockets I could make myself a major thorn in the side of the British empire.

Anyone have any thoughts or strategies?

You won't stand a chance.

In fact, it would take for AGES to finally reach the level of being albe to invade Scotland, would take twice as long to be able to invade the rest of the UK.
[NL]Ibahalii 2016 年 6 月 16 日 下午 4:44 
引用自 Ankou
You won't stand a chance.

In fact, it would take for AGES to finally reach the level of being albe to invade Scotland, would take twice as long to be able to invade the rest of the UK.

really?

How about....research up to fighters 1.
produce a lot of fighters.
Have the ART researched.
and have a couple of INF with a lot of ART sitting on level 10 forts.
Take back the north isle.
Naval bomber the hell out of the strait.
Prep from the North isle to invade lanark(left of glasgow), spread the Irish hell from there
最後修改者:[NL]Ibahalii; 2016 年 6 月 16 日 下午 4:45
Tiberius 2016 年 6 月 16 日 下午 5:04 
引用自 Ibahalii
引用自 Ankou
You won't stand a chance.

In fact, it would take for AGES to finally reach the level of being albe to invade Scotland, would take twice as long to be able to invade the rest of the UK.

really?

How about....research up to fighters 1.
produce a lot of fighters.
Have the ART researched.
and have a couple of INF with a lot of ART sitting on level 10 forts.
Take back the north isle.
Naval bomber the hell out of the strait.
Prep from the North isle to invade lanark(left of glasgow), spread the Irish hell from there

A lot of fighters = good.
Artillery = good.
couple of infantry = bad
level 10 forts, alright, but not very helpful for an offensive.

What I am trying to say is, even if you build and build and build for like 12 hours or more..Britain will always have more units than you and simply overrun you.. They will invade you with naval infantry, a terribly huge amount of ships and bombers. The amount of your population would not allow you to win. Even fortifications could not permanently keep them away from you.

And let's face it, even if you get to lanark, Britain will throw you back pretty quick and easily, and if this should not be the case, their allies surprise you with a nice visit closely followed up by some bombs and troops.

The ONLY way to defeat Britain as Ireland is if you ally up with the axis and can definitely rely on their help. But even then they would not send enough troops to help you out, Germany would have to actively fight Britain with an offensive strategy to set foot on the British isles....

Feel free to try ! But as far as I see it, you could only win playing it in MP, with someone playing Germany and supporting you.

But Ireland alone won't stand a chance against Britain. I haven't tried it ! But I believe it is very very unlikely. It probably is even more likely to Invade Britain playing Saudi-Arabia or Japan.


PS: If you want to have a multiplayer game where only we two are playing against AIs over a time of several days. I am fine with it. But I would only provide support playing Italy.
Cheers.
Simplicius 2016 年 6 月 16 日 下午 5:30 
引用自 Ankou
引用自 Ibahalii

really?

How about....research up to fighters 1.
produce a lot of fighters.
Have the ART researched.
and have a couple of INF with a lot of ART sitting on level 10 forts.
Take back the north isle.
Naval bomber the hell out of the strait.
Prep from the North isle to invade lanark(left of glasgow), spread the Irish hell from there

A lot of fighters = good.
Artillery = good.
couple of infantry = bad
level 10 forts, alright, but not very helpful for an offensive.

What I am trying to say is, even if you build and build and build for like 12 hours or more..Britain will always have more units than you and simply overrun you.. They will invade you with naval infantry, a terribly huge amount of ships and bombers. The amount of your population would not allow you to win. Even fortifications could not permanently keep them away from you.

And let's face it, even if you get to lanark, Britain will throw you back pretty quick and easily, and if this should not be the case, their allies surprise you with a nice visit closely followed up by some bombs and troops.

The ONLY way to defeat Britain as Ireland is if you ally up with the axis and can definitely rely on their help. But even then they would not send enough troops to help you out, Germany would have to actively fight Britain with an offensive strategy to set foot on the British isles....

Feel free to try ! But as far as I see it, you could only win playing it in MP, with someone playing Germany and supporting you.

But Ireland alone won't stand a chance against Britain. I haven't tried it ! But I believe it is very very unlikely. It probably is even more likely to Invade Britain playing Saudi-Arabia or Japan.


PS: If you want to have a multiplayer game where only we two are playing against AIs over a time of several days. I am fine with it. But I would only provide support playing Italy.
Cheers.


This is my second attempt at this strategy, and my third game of HOI4. During my first attempt I was successful at pusing the Brits out of the Emerald Isle, and holding it. I was able to build and maintain an airforce of about 100 fighteres 60 naval bombers, and 50 (heavy?) bombers, but I was never able to land troops by air or sea on the British homeland. I built rocket sites and succesfully dealt some damage to Southern England, but my strategy took too long and ultimatly failed as the US entered the war, and Germany had three fronts open up (including a Communist Republican Spain allied to the USSR.) I think that I could have done better, especially by increasing my warscore with aquisitions accross the Irish Sea. I still don't have a good grasp of army composition, infurstructure, and manufacturing.

I do think that a victory can be achieved however, because I came very close the first time.

Thank you everyone for you input, and I hope that my second run will have better results!

-M
最後修改者:Simplicius; 2016 年 6 月 16 日 下午 5:31
[NL]Ibahalii 2016 年 6 月 16 日 下午 6:44 
Far to spread out.
As a minor nation you can't compete with the big wonder weapons of other nations..
when you spend time building a rocket silo...they build 3rocket silo's and another 1000 planes or so.
Better use that spot for Factories(civil and arms). to increase your weapon production.
Research in upgrades and Doctrines.
Tiberius 2016 年 6 月 16 日 下午 6:48 
引用自 Ibahalii
Far to spread out.
As a minor nation you can't compete with the big wonder weapons of other nations..
when you spend time building a rocket silo...they build 3rocket silo's and another 1000 planes or so.
Better use that spot for Factories(civil and arms). to increase your weapon production.
Research in upgrades and Doctrines.

I don't know if you have ever played a MAJOR faction, but IF, you would know that minor factions can't produce nor build as much as major nations. Ireland does not stand a chance against the Uk.
[NL]Ibahalii 2016 年 6 月 16 日 下午 6:57 
i don't know if you actually read/understood what i typed but....

what i am saying is, that he should focus on just a few things, and expand industry.
because in the time* he builds 1 new thing, a major has produced that same thing + 1000 more.

I have played as majors(USSR, USA, Germany, France). i know how they work.
i also know that a small country cannot defeat a major on its own.
But it can sure give them a hard time for their money, and hold out till its allies join.
(as minor Netherlands) so far Germany has still to kick me out of my country in 44.
it wont happen. since my friends USA, UK and France are using my country as a invasion spot and are kinda pushing them nazi's back to Berlin ;-)
最後修改者:[NL]Ibahalii; 2016 年 6 月 16 日 下午 6:57
Tiberius 2016 年 6 月 16 日 下午 7:10 
引用自 Ibahalii
i don't know if you actually read/understood what i typed but....

what i am saying is, that he should focus on just a few things, and expand industry.
because in the time* he builds 1 new thing, a major has produced that same thing + 1000 more.

I have played as majors(USSR, USA, Germany, France). i know how they work.
i also know that a small country cannot defeat a major on its own.
But it can sure give them a hard time for their money, and hold out till its allies join.
(as minor Netherlands) so far Germany has still to kick me out of my country in 44.
it wont happen. since my friends USA, UK and France are using my country as a invasion spot and are kinda pushing them nazi's back to Berlin ;-)

Where is your logic?

If he focuses on expanding his industry, he will lose the same way as when he concentrates on crap like researching nukes and high-tech stuff. Because as you've confirmed what I was saying yourself, where he builds one thing, a major factions produces 1000 more of it.

Even if he expands his industry, a major faction will have even more.

You said it yourself, a minor nation can't defeat a major nation on it's own. I said nothing different, I don't know what you are making a fuzz about ?

Just read other peoples comments properly, and there won't be the need to write jerkish replies to people who obviously have a clue what they are talking about.

Cheers!
[NL]Ibahalii 2016 年 6 月 16 日 下午 7:19 
just yawn.
i gave a person a bit of advice, based on my game experiance, which works as a minor country.
you come out and say it does not,...which clearly it does...defending what is yours and keeping the enemy busy untill your allies come, works.
by focusing on a few types and increase production on them. increases the chances of making it trough.

reading that he is building missle silo's is a diversion of resources that he could have used to build a civil/arms factory so he could increase production more. so he could be more of a annoyance to the British.

Building a FACTORY to increase production. instead of building a missle silo.
Researching Upgrades for the Industry while having to wait for Unit types to lose their penalties for to far ahead of its time. is not a waste, its a very good way to increase the production, without building more/needing more trade.

if you find my replies "jerkish" already then i shall leave it at this, before i will actually try to be a jerk.
Camerons101 2016 年 6 月 17 日 上午 2:56 
"and there won't be the need to write jerkish replies to people who obviously have a clue what they are talking about.
Cheers!"
Now thats an ironic response
GeistHeller 2016 年 6 月 17 日 上午 3:07 
Step 1 = Build up Industry & related Techs, unlock 1936 Fighters, build convoys. Industrial\Extra research Focus.
Step 2 = Start building fighters, work towards optimizing Infantry/Marine Divisions. Political Focus.
Step 3 = Get a theorist and train your army to get enough experience to upgrade divisions. Doctrine Focus.
Step 4 = Wait for Britain to be at war and back stab them.

Held the line and beat back Germany with France, Belgium, Luxembourg, Denmark and Switzerland using this strat. What Ibahalii said is true, upgrading your industrial capacity asap and waiting for ahead penalties to wear off on units is the best way to go.

Major will always outproduce you, but quality beats quantity in this game, especially when it comes to Infantry. The AI does not upgrade its existing templates and will instead make entierely new ones, meaning that most of the time, 90% of AI controlled divisions are completely obsolete.

Focus your efforts on badass Infantry, aerial superiority and just wait for the Royal Navy to be busy somewhere to launch your invasion.

With 500ish 1936 fighters on aerial superiority by 1939 and good doctrines, you should be fine.

Strat result exemple: http://i.imgur.com/Mv3XS7V.png
最後修改者:GeistHeller; 2016 年 6 月 17 日 上午 3:15
boomermojo 2016 年 6 月 17 日 上午 3:14 
If you have a small amount of large divisions with plenty of artillery and a few anti air guns I assume the relativly small British army in Britan will not be able to do anything to your small amount of divisions. The ai does not seem to favor designing divisions with a lot of regiments in it. I think Ireland could have a decenet chance of forceing the british to capitulate.
最後修改者:boomermojo; 2016 年 6 月 17 日 上午 3:15
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