Well, Non-Aggression Pacts don't mean anything...

[Rikashey]

Playing as Fascist Greece but not part of the Axis because I don't want to fight a mass multi-pronged war.

Easily defeated Bulgaria, and was almost about to defeat Yugoslavia till Italy decides to declare war on me for no reason.

I had already had good relations and a non-aggression pact with Italy so yet they still put a War Goal on me. Not even 100 days pass and they ALREADY declared war on me.

I thought you had to wait a boat load of time before you can declare war because of the war goal?

Then of course this somehow dragged me into WWII which I don't even know anymore.

Italy is so damn annoying and they are always the cause of dragging me into WWII somehow.

[Tisreece]

I'm not 100% sure, but I think Italy has a national focus that allows them to declare war on Greece, therefore bypassing the non-aggresion pact. It's the same reason the Soviets and Germans end up declaring on each other at some point in the game despite the NAP they have.

[Bandit17]

Yes. Italy does have a national focus that gives them a war goal and war on Greece. So, as Greece, expect it sooner or later.

[Bravo]

National focuses are idiotic and force WWII to devolve into WWIII very rapidly - I've not once seen a save which doesn't have the Allies fighting Comintern at the same time as fighting the Reich which is also fighting the Chinese United Front.

EDIT: The only way to prevent this is to join a faction and simply IGNORE THE STUPID CALL TO WARS. I did this as Italy, the Reich fell but I was able to keep my territorial gains because I took land from unaffiliated minors rather than get bogged down in WWII, I was then able to curbstomp the Soviets whilst they were bogged down with the Allies.

[Rikashey]

Originally posted by Bravo:

National focuses are idiotic and force WWII to devolve into WWIII very rapidly - I've not once seen a save which doesn't have the Allies fighting Comintern at the same time as fighting the Reich which is also fighting the Chinese United Front.

EDIT: The only way to prevent this is to join a faction and simply IGNORE THE STUPID CALL TO WARS. I did this as Italy, the Reich fell but I was able to keep my territorial gains because I took land from unaffiliated minors rather than get bogged down in WWII, I was then able to curbstomp the Soviets whilst they were bogged down with the Allies.

Really wish there was a mod that gave every faction the regular generic Focus Tree so that the game could truely be random and dynamic.

The WWII ai setting left off doesn't mean a thing because everything still ends up the same due to the focus tree on major powers.

[Swesal]

Originally posted by Rikashey:

Originally posted by Bravo:

National focuses are idiotic and force WWII to devolve into WWIII very rapidly - I've not once seen a save which doesn't have the Allies fighting Comintern at the same time as fighting the Reich which is also fighting the Chinese United Front.

EDIT: The only way to prevent this is to join a faction and simply IGNORE THE STUPID CALL TO WARS. I did this as Italy, the Reich fell but I was able to keep my territorial gains because I took land from unaffiliated minors rather than get bogged down in WWII, I was then able to curbstomp the Soviets whilst they were bogged down with the Allies.

Really wish there was a mod that gave every faction the regular generic Focus Tree so that the game could truely be random and dynamic.

The WWII ai setting left off doesn't mean a thing because everything still ends up the same due to the focus tree on major powers.

This is a really good mod idea. Without question(and this is true with all Hearts or Iron games) this game feels like it is on rails. The predictability actually makes the game a lot easier then it could be.

[Tisreece]

Being a WWII game it seems kind of redundant to complain about WWII happening - if you play the vanilla game that is.
I'm sure there is or will be a mod that will make things more random if you really don't like the predictibility.

[Chikuwu]

Idk how youre talking about predicatlbe things. Only things that are predictable are German Reich declaring war against communists if you tick off the X from History focused AI, and Italy going apseshit along with japan. Otherwise, countries turn into random things, Russian Empire comes back, etc.

[Swesal]

Originally posted by Chiku:

Idk how youre talking about predicatlbe things. Only things that are predictable are German Reich declaring war against communists if you tick off the X from History focused AI, and Italy going apseshit along with japan. Otherwise, countries turn into random things, Russian Empire comes back, etc.

That really isn't true. It's very rare you see a ideology change, because of the large PP investment needed, and even if points are invested, it doesn't mean they will change ideologys. I'v played five unhistorical, and have yet to see a ideology change that I didn't invest PP in myself. Also I have yet to see any of the AI majors form their own faction. I'm not saying it can't happen, it just doesn't happen often.

Besides, why are people so defensive of mod changes? Nobody would make you use it. I understand legit debate on what would work, and what wouldn't, and why. But both of you replying are just like "Game is fine as is".

[Bravo]

Originally posted by Tisreece:

Being a WWII game it seems kind of redundant to complain about WWII happening - if you play the vanilla game that is.
I'm sure there is or will be a mod that will make things more random if you really don't like the predictibility.

My complaint wasn't about WWII happening, it was about WWIII happening whilst WWII was still being fought. It's absurd that the Allies end up at war with the Soviets before the end of the war because the soviets or allies decide to pick a random focus (even when on historical focuses, they eventually pick a third world war focus) which then degenerates the war into an unending orwellian mess.

[civilwarguy_2000]

lol you do realize that WW2 was fought in this manner as nations conveniently forgot treaties they had signed with others to start wars. Poland in like 1932 or sometime at least in the 30's signed a non-aggression treaty and anti-communism treaty with Germany to help protect against the Russians. This was conveniently forgotten in 1939 when Hitler "staged" Polish attacks to start a war against them.

Again Hitler conveniently forgot his treaty with Russia when he invaded them in Operation Barbarossa. So yes while this would be an annoying thing but you have to think of the time period as well where many of the fascist countries, like Italy, forgot treaties when they thought they could get a benefit.

[Chikuwu]

Originally posted by Bravo:

Originally posted by Tisreece:

Being a WWII game it seems kind of redundant to complain about WWII happening - if you play the vanilla game that is.
I'm sure there is or will be a mod that will make things more random if you really don't like the predictibility.

My complaint wasn't about WWII happening, it was about WWIII happening whilst WWII was still being fought. It's absurd that the Allies end up at war with the Soviets before the end of the war because the soviets or allies decide to pick a random focus (even when on historical focuses, they eventually pick a third world war focus) which then degenerates the war into an unending orwellian mess.

Yeah the endgame gets messed up, thats true. I played till 1949 and after finland had taken over most of siberia, German taken half the world, and United states owning only africa, and america landing in norway, then i knew WW3 was going on :D

The game doenst "pause" between WW2 and WW3, it just instantly continues to another.

[Infinity-Hero]

just join the axis, but don't accept the call to war, if you are playing on historical, you don't need to worry about anyone else declaring war on you.

[Immortalis]

Originally posted by Infinity-Hero:

just join the axis, but don't accept the call to war, if you are playing on historical, you don't need to worry about anyone else declaring war on you.

Whyever would you necro a thread that has been dead for 8 years, almost as long as the game existed?!?

[luftatmer]

Edit: deleted. Saw too late that this was a silly necro.

[Hinterxgames]

You want to see wacky, have a game where the German Reich loses their Civil War, lol. That throws things /all/ out of whack. In my current game (playing Ethiopia), it was civil war mania. Germany, Poland, Estonia, The Soviet Union, Mexico, and Spain already had one. And as if one wasn't enough for Spain, there were literally /4/ civil war's going on in Spain all at the time. Craziness.
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And because the German Reich lost their civil war very early in the game, they never actually invaded the other European countries. xD