I don't understand how to use planes and make them bombard other cities.

[Tiberius]

So far I was clicking myself through the menues for like 2 hours. I just can't figure out how to use these damn planes, the tutorial is not helpful at all.

It also doesn't tell me HOW to make 11 harbors be in use, whatever this means.

+ Why can't I attack switzerland without a war declaration? Wasn't there something called BLITZKRIEG?

[mastaflex]

Originally posted by Gammsiger_Strizzi:

but also an attack without declaration.

Not sure where you got that from, but that isn't correct.

[Kidserge(Yong)]

You cannot order plane to bombard specific city, you can order them to bombard every city in enermy control in one air zone and hope that the city will be bombed. Actually, you have to get air supremacy and wait until the city gone.

Step to assign bomber to bomb city.
1. build strategic bomber, no close support, figher, navy bomber, tactical bomber but strategic bomber.
2. assign them to airport.
3. assign them to air space with your air supremacy.
4. click town bombard.
5. wait...

Tip
There is 6 kind of plane, from left
figher: get air supremacy, kill bomber, kamikase(only Japan)
navy bomber: kill ship, kill ship in port (not port)
close support: bomb enermy, kill ship(not so good but OK with air zone that have both land and sea)
long range figher: good for sea air supremacy
tactical bomber: Army relate structure bombard
strategic bomber: Town and factory bombard

[GrandHardy]

There are heavy fighters too which I believe are more effective at dealing with bombers?

[Laiders72]

Blitzkrieg is a form of warfare characterised by heavy use of combined arms betweeen air, armour and mechanised infantry to punch through critical points in the enemy lines and use the enhanced mobility of your own army to then prevent the enemy from reforming lines and destroy them in detail or simply push so deep into their nation that they are forced to capitulate. It is also characterised by having a less rigourous, more flexible chain of command with greater autonomy given to unit commanders in the field to make tactical and strategic decisions without consulting high command.

It, however, is not characterised by launching a war without a formal declaration. No nation has launched a Blitzkreig, that I know of, without declaring war first (or having a proxy declare war etc.). Japan actually intended to declare war properly but various ♥♥♥♥-ups in the transmission and its decryption by the Japanese Embassy lead to it arriving 4 hours late. This single ♥♥♥♥-up cost the Japanese any basic sympathy the USA might feel towards them and paved the way for nukes to be invented and used solely on them.

Bliztkreig can be used (at least in English) colloquially to refer to a sudden and often undeclared aggressive move in business or life in general but this is not its correct use when talking about military doctrine. We'll quietly ignore the fact that Bliztkreig wasn't actually ever a formal military doctrine of any nation under that name but refers to the general concepts outlined above, which then get called lots of different things. Later on Wehrrmacht commanders did start informally using the term Bliztkreig but it was really a term coined by German media and then seized on by Allied media making it famous across the world.

[daventure2005]

It took me a while to figure out.

Assuming you are starting with a country with nothing.

1) Research one of the airplane
2) Start on the air national focus
3) Assign a production que to plane
4) Once air planes are made, it is pool into reserves
5) Click an airport, and Click Create Wing
6) Select a Wing, then right click on the region to assign it to a target region
7) Click one of the mission radio button to assign a mission type
8) Continue making planes to replentish attrition

[Laiders72]

Originally posted by GrandHardy:

There are heavy fighters too which I believe are more effective at dealing with bombers?

Heavy fighters are more effective against interceptors in protecting your bombers. They are fine for killing bombers too but that is not specifically their intended role.

[GrandHardy]

Originally posted by Laiders72:

Originally posted by GrandHardy:

There are heavy fighters too which I believe are more effective at dealing with bombers?

Heavy fighters are more effective against interceptors in protecting your bombers. They are fine for killing bombers too but that is not specifically their intended role.

Excellent, thank for clearing it up, I was a little confused about what their intended role compared to normal fighters was.

Also Gammsiger_Strizzi, not sure what i've done in this thread classed as trolling, only commented to try and help regarding the DOW and using your ports, hadn't realised it was you.

Good choice in getting HOI4 though.

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by Kidserge(Yong):

You cannot order plane to bombard specific city, you can order them to bombard every city in enermy control in one air zone and hope that the city will be bombed. Actually, you have to get air supremacy and wait until the city gone.

Step to assign bomber to bomb city.
1. build strategic bomber, no close support, figher, navy bomber, tactical bomber but strategic bomber.
2. assign them to airport.
3. assign them to air space with your air supremacy.
4. click town bombard.
5. wait...

Tip
There is 6 kind of plane, from left
figher: get air supremacy, kill bomber, kamikase(only Japan)
navy bomber: kill ship, kill ship in port (not port)
close support: bomb enermy, kill ship(not so good but OK with air zone that have both land and sea)
long range figher: good for sea air supremacy
tactical bomber: Army relate structure bombard
strategic bomber: Town and factory bombard

This is similar to the way I tried doing it. But what I tried doing is to merge planes and I wanted them to patrol over my territory. For some reason there are dozenz of tabs opening but not actual option to set something like this.

I will look again. You have been very helpful though. Thanks.

[mastaflex]

Originally posted by Gammsiger_Strizzi:

I will look again. You have been very helpful though. Thanks.

Where's the thank you to the guys who corrected your definition of blitzkrieg?

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by mastaflex:

Originally posted by Gammsiger_Strizzi:

I will look again. You have been very helpful though. Thanks.

Where's the thank you to the guys who corrected your definition of blitzkrieg?

I don't know what definitions you were reading. But the definitions I can find don't specifically say anything about a declaration of war or a definite declaration of war.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/blitzkrieg
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/blitzkrieg
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/de/worterbuch/englisch/blitzkrieg

And for all German speakers

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polenfeldzug

It says " Der Feldzug begann – ohne vorherige Kriegserklärung – unmittelbar nach dem durch NS-Deutschland fingierten Überfall auf den Sender Gleiwitz (Unternehmen Tannenberg) am 1. September 1939 mit dem Einmarsch der Wehrmacht in den Westteil Polens"

means: ~ The military campaign started - without previous declaration of war - directly after NS-Germany faked an assault at the Radio-station gleiwitz ( Unternehmen Tannenberg was a German fake-pretentious attack at a German radio station, German guys wearing Polish uniforms and killing people in this German radio station to make Poland look like the attacker ). On September 1939 the Wehrmacht started to invade western-poland.

In fact, it says that a Blitzkrieg is more of a surprise and speed tactic to overwhelm an enemy force. This is logically done by NOT coming up with a declaration of war or coming up with a declaration of war like a day before the big offensive, which has quite the same outcome as not coming up with ANY declaration of war.

Blitz = Lightning | Krieg = War. Referring to WAR, it is considerd to include the ENTIRE war, which means, the goal of the strategy is to end the war as quick as possible by VICTORY and SUCCESS.

I gave you guys 3 links to a dictionary describing the term " Blitzkrieg ". I gave you a link to the German wikipedia-site about Germany invading Poland using a Blitzkrieg strategy. No offense, but there is nothing more accurate out there than 3 different dictionaries and a German version of the term blitzkrieg in relation with Poland - Germany military campaign.

I already made very clear that Germans usually use BLITZKRIEG in relation to an attack without declaration of war ( probably because of Poland ). In English there is no specific statement about declaration of war in relation with the term " Blitzkrieg ".
Since Blitzkrieg is a German term, I prefer to use the German meaning of it, which is far more accurate ;-)

I hope I could brighten your horizon.

All the best
strizzi.


PS: Where is my thank you ?

[Laiders72]

Originally posted by Gammsiger_Strizzi:

Originally posted by mastaflex:

Where's the thank you to the guys who corrected your definition of blitzkrieg?

I don't know what definitions you were reading. But the definitions I can find don't specifically say anything about a declaration of war or a definite declaration of war.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/blitzkrieg
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/blitzkrieg
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/de/worterbuch/englisch/blitzkrieg

And for all German speakers

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polenfeldzug

It says " Der Feldzug begann – ohne vorherige Kriegserklärung – unmittelbar nach dem durch NS-Deutschland fingierten Überfall auf den Sender Gleiwitz (Unternehmen Tannenberg) am 1. September 1939 mit dem Einmarsch der Wehrmacht in den Westteil Polens"

means: ~ The military campaign started - without previous declaration of war - directly after NS-Germany faked an assault at the Radio-station gleiwitz ( Unternehmen Tannenberg was a German fake-pretentious attack at a German radio station, German guys wearing Polish uniforms and killing people in this German radio station to make Poland look like the attacker ). On September 1939 the Wehrmacht started to invade western-poland.

In fact, it says that a Blitzkrieg is more of a surprise and speed tactic to overwhelm an enemy force. This is logically done by NOT coming up with a declaration of war or coming up with a declaration of war like a day before the big offensive, which has quite the same outcome as not coming up with ANY declaration of war.

Blitz = Lightning | Krieg = War. Referring to WAR, it is considerd to include the ENTIRE war, which means, the goal of the strategy is to end the war as quick as possible by VICTORY and SUCCESS.

I gave you guys 3 links to a dictionary describing the term " Blitzkrieg ". I gave you a link to the German wikipedia-site about Germany invading Poland using a Blitzkrieg strategy. No offense, but there is nothing more accurate out there than 3 different dictionaries and a German version of the term blitzkrieg in relation with Poland - Germany military campaign.

I already made very clear that Germans usually use BLITZKRIEG in relation to an attack without declaration of war ( probably because of Poland ). In English there is no specific statement about declaration of war in relation with the term " Blitzkrieg ".
Since Blitzkrieg is a German term, I prefer to use the German meaning of it, which is far more accurate ;-)

I hope I could brighten your horizon.

All the best
strizzi.


PS: Where is my thank you ?

Germany, albeit used staged and provoked border incidents, claimed they were attacking in self-defense and thus Poland had de facto declared war on them not the other way around. France was taken totally by surprise in 1940, strategically and tactically outflanked and obliterated in short order. Germany and France had been at war for over a year. Formal declarations of war do not interfere with Bliztkreig. Germany was not above using clandestine methods (neither were the Allies) but such military intelligence support and provokacation never formed part of the official Wehrmacht military doctrine and is not what is commonly meant, historically, by the term Bliztkreig. Bliztkreig relies on sudden violence not necessary surprise (though the suddeness of it typically surprised enemies as well).

[mastaflex]

Originally posted by Gammsiger_Strizzi:

In fact, it says that a Blitzkrieg is more of a surprise and speed tactic to overwhelm an enemy force. This is logically done by NOT coming up with a declaration of war or coming up with a declaration of war like a day before the big offensive, which has quite the same outcome as not coming up with ANY declaration of war.

But you can't have Germany invading Poland and not have an alert that says they are now at war. Hence the declaration.

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by mastaflex:

Originally posted by Gammsiger_Strizzi:

In fact, it says that a Blitzkrieg is more of a surprise and speed tactic to overwhelm an enemy force. This is logically done by NOT coming up with a declaration of war or coming up with a declaration of war like a day before the big offensive, which has quite the same outcome as not coming up with ANY declaration of war.

But you can't have Germany invading Poland and not have an alert that says they are now at war. Hence the declaration.

You might use a history-book then. Germany did NOT declare war on Poland at the point of invading it and crossing it's border.

@Laiders: First, it's not called " Blitzkreig " it's called " Blitzkrieg ". Second, the Blitzkrieg strategy IS an official strategy.

Throw a look in to this list, there are quite some interesting strategies INCLUDING our well known Blitzkrieg-strategy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_strategies_and_concepts

What makes the Blitzkrieg-strategy so unique is that it is mostly connected with a political action OR a non-existend political action, a not taken action ( such as not declaring war ).

Cheers.

[Sarnen]

I've just entirely given up on the air force. I simply don't understand how to use it, and the game offers nothing in the way of any kind of explanation. Even as a HOI3 vet, I sipmly don't know what's going on, and go for ground based AA and hope for the best rather than deal with this ridiculously convoluted UI.

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by Sarnen:

I've just entirely given up on the air force. I simply don't understand how to use it, and the game offers nothing in the way of any kind of explanation. Even as a HOI3 vet, I sipmly don't know what's going on, and go for ground based AA and hope for the best rather than deal with this ridiculously convoluted UI.

This video cleared some stuff up for me..maybe it will help you too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3hit9HSNNE