Hearts of Iron IV

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FERRARIZZI1 Apr 16, 2019 @ 5:44am
AI is cheating af
so i was playing colombia and decleared war against ecuador. i had 24 deivisions ( 6 infantry divisions per template) while ecuador had 4. i loss cause ecuador with just one factory and 6k manpower built 6 division in zero time.
also yersterday i was with stalin russia and declared war on poland then germany. Both won but then italy (in axis) has landed in northern germany and got 3 provinces, so hitler ewas capable of building 40 division with 400k manpower(yes , you read right!) with 3 provincies and i ended with a one year battle for that provinces with 2mlns casualties for me and 800k for axis.
now tell me how is it possible that ai can build so many troops and so quicly and also without finishing manpower???
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Lukkyb Apr 16, 2019 @ 5:50am 
the reason they build them so qucik is beacsue they will have like 1 or 2 battalions in them
FERRARIZZI1 Apr 16, 2019 @ 5:52am 
i can understand this but how they can manage to my division with 6 batallions or 9 in it and also while i have 4x their divisions??
spike2071 Apr 16, 2019 @ 6:19am 
Originally posted by TA | FERRARIZZI1:
i can understand this but how they can manage to my division with 6 batallions or 9 in it and also while i have 4x their divisions??

Supply and/or your division templates are weak. Screenshots are helpful.
Ryan Apr 16, 2019 @ 6:25am 
AI will deploy divisions before they are finished training. You can too. Your division will be Green, but it can fight. People think the AI can train troops instantly, but the reality is that the AI was already training them and just chose to deploy them immediately. If you Tag switch to AI country you would see this.

Generals have an ability called "Last Stand." A small force can hold out against a larger one for a long time. AI uses this.

If you wasted 3 million manpower against 3 provinces, then you should think about how to do it better. Manpower is the one thing in the game you can't really recover from. You were probably attacking across a river with terrible divisions. If the enemy is dug in to a strong defensive position, then go around them. Surround them. Play smart. Bring up artillery and tanks to dislodge them, and attack from an advantageous area. Don't attack into mountains or across rivers if you don't have to.

Just because you don't know all the game tricks doesn't mean the AI is cheating.
For your Columbia situation. South and Central America have very rough terrain. Lots of rivers, mountains, jungle and low infrastructre. Attacking with pure inf divisions is very costly and I would advise to get Close air support or put arty in your divisions.

As for your Soviet expierence, the Germans probably had divisions in training and when Italy landed the Germans could finaly deploy them.
FERRARIZZI1 Apr 16, 2019 @ 9:05am 
Originally posted by Ryan:
AI will deploy divisions before they are finished training. You can too. Your division will be Green, but it can fight. People think the AI can train troops instantly, but the reality is that the AI was already training them and just chose to deploy them immediately. If you Tag switch to AI country you would see this.

Generals have an ability called "Last Stand." A small force can hold out against a larger one for a long time. AI uses this.

If you wasted 3 million manpower against 3 provinces, then you should think about how to do it better. Manpower is the one thing in the game you can't really recover from. You were probably attacking across a river with terrible divisions. If the enemy is dug in to a strong defensive position, then go around them. Surround them. Play smart. Bring up artillery and tanks to dislodge them, and attack from an advantageous area. Don't attack into mountains or across rivers if you don't have to.

Just because you don't know all the game tricks doesn't mean the AI is cheating.

i was 150 divisions against 40 more or less in danzig
FERRARIZZI1 Apr 16, 2019 @ 9:06am 
Originally posted by Ëvïlnïck8:
For your Columbia situation. South and Central America have very rough terrain. Lots of rivers, mountains, jungle and low infrastructre. Attacking with pure inf divisions is very costly and I would advise to get Close air support or put arty in your divisions.

As for your Soviet expierence, the Germans probably had divisions in training and when Italy landed the Germans could finaly deploy them.
i see
Sustainab Apr 16, 2019 @ 10:16am 
The AI has just been programmed in a lazy way without proper play-testing. AI "can see" where you will move your troops, It will use "deploy units" and "fast movement" to teleport units to where you are going and it will use the "combat abilities" in a way you as a human cant. It will focus on the human player to the point of it killing itself in the process.

This is all due to lazy programming by guys not caring about immersion. Such a shame. Because most other departments of this game and company do a really good job.

Lucky Lee Apr 16, 2019 @ 11:26am 
AI definitely cheat. Just need to look at Britain and see their insane manpower that isn't possible as the player. They can end up with a few million deployed and a million manpower remaining without even being on all adults serve or scraping the barrel. They cheat a lot but the sort of need to for it to be a challenge.
FERRARIZZI1 Apr 16, 2019 @ 1:37pm 
so i was right
bri Apr 16, 2019 @ 3:04pm 
Or you have some fellow "ai cheats!!! Waaaah" baddies contributing their confirmation bias...
El Berl Apr 16, 2019 @ 3:55pm 
Originally posted by bri:
Or you have some fellow "ai cheats!!! Waaaah" baddies contributing their confirmation bias...

Ad hominem ahoy.
Ryan Apr 16, 2019 @ 4:29pm 
People who don't understand the game mechanics think the AI cheats in the way described in this thread.
Hawk Tuah Pyro Apr 16, 2019 @ 4:41pm 
The terrain in SA is very hard to fight in and armies in SA are primitive resulting in tenchwarfarey fighting. AI doesnt cheat unless you buffed a country
OKOK Apr 16, 2019 @ 9:54pm 
South America case is likely supply issue.
24 divisions is going to suck all the supply and everyone in low supply if u r using 40 wide with 4 arty divisions.

In my last usa war which got drag into south America war. I can only support 10 division. Keep upgrading infrastructure to keep my.army running. I
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