tno is just russian warlordm sim and evil burgundy and germany

[draftsman]

change my mind

[nome]

tno is overrated

[coffeemm8]

Originally posted by NOME:

tno is overrated

Most of them are

Road to 56 still the king

[Lavrentiy Beria]

never bothered with tno tbh, part of it because I'm not an alternative/fictive history fan and the other part is the mod being shilled everywhere

[Your Local Guardsmen]

The only good "what if Germany won" mod is Kaisereich which is absolutely a gem

[Æthelwulf]

Can't stand when they add economic management to mods like that and Old War Blues. Changes the game from what it's meant to be and adds unnecessary difficulty.

[drewbstar]

A lot of people don't realize that it's not a standard what-if mod. It's taking HOI4 and turning it into basically a visual novel with extra flavor.

So I understand why so many people don't like it, the UI alone was enough to deter me for quite a while. It has some good elements and great story telling, but it's mostly clicking menus and reading, not wargaming. (Part of the reason I have far more hours in KR/RT56)

However, I would say that some parts of TNO are iconic and should be seen. The Slave Revolt/GO4 Democracy path stands out and is what I'd recommend people play. For a mod literally full of dread and a constance sense of impending doom there's a surprising source of hope and a future.

[edward glenn 1992]

Originally posted by drewbstar:

A lot of people don't realize that it's not a standard what-if mod. It's taking HOI4 and turning it into basically a visual novel with extra flavor.

So I understand why so many people don't like it, the UI alone was enough to deter me for quite a while. It has some good elements and great story telling, but it's mostly clicking menus and reading, not wargaming. (Part of the reason I have far more hours in KR/RT56)

However, I would say that some parts of TNO are iconic and should be seen. The Slave Revolt/GO4 Democracy path stands out and is what I'd recommend people play. For a mod literally full of dread and a constance sense of impending doom there's a surprising source of hope and a future.

Nobody plays hoi4 to read

[Magni]

Originally posted by Babytron:

Nobody plays hoi4 to read

Speak for yourself only, please. Some people do, in fact, like to roleplay in HoI IV every then and when.

[drewbstar]

Originally posted by Babytron:

Originally posted by drewbstar:

A lot of people don't realize that it's not a standard what-if mod. It's taking HOI4 and turning it into basically a visual novel with extra flavor.

So I understand why so many people don't like it, the UI alone was enough to deter me for quite a while. It has some good elements and great story telling, but it's mostly clicking menus and reading, not wargaming. (Part of the reason I have far more hours in KR/RT56)

However, I would say that some parts of TNO are iconic and should be seen. The Slave Revolt/GO4 Democracy path stands out and is what I'd recommend people play. For a mod literally full of dread and a constance sense of impending doom there's a surprising source of hope and a future.

Nobody plays hoi4 to read

Clearly shown by no one playing TNO ever.

As I said, it's not a mod for everyone. It's not just reading, it's about story telling, which I think the mod does fairly well. It's a direct statement about the failures of the Nazis and how they were doomed to fail, even with the potential for catastrophic loss of human life.
Germany has a civil war once Hitler dies and there are 4 pathes Germany can take which are each direct criticisms of Nazis/HOI4/etc. Literally the only way Germany has a real future is if Speer wins and pivots away from the very things that defined Nazi Germany. Everything else ends in eventual self-collapse or nuclear warfare.


I'll also add the USA has some good content. It's a bit buggy (I haven't played in a long time) but I've heard it's good.