Capitulation and peace conferences

[PurplePhoenix]

I’m playing as fascist Argentina and Germany is losing the war in Europe. Is it possible for me to not be in the peace conference as a defeated nation when Germany and Italy capitulate and carry on the Axis?

[mk11]

AFAIK, only if you can get yourself to major nation status.

[drewbstar]

Leave the faction, start your own and call it, "Axis 2: Electric Boogaloo"?

[taffmasterlang]

If you haven't lost any home territory at any point in the war you are not treated as a defeated nation and can't be touched in the peace conference

[shiggies713]

Originally posted by taffmasterlang:

If you haven't lost any home territory at any point in the war you are not treated as a defeated nation and can't be touched in the peace conference

another poster recently complained they joined SU, and was made a puppet when SU capitulated to Germany. I'm not completely sure that is true anymore. Maybe if you are involved in the war at all, you are subjected to the peace deal.

Also recently as Japan, I finished off China pretty fast, never touched Sinkiang lands, and I was able to annex them, so I don't think what you say is true anymore. I know it used to be.

[SVaughan]

Originally posted by taffmasterlang:

If you haven't lost any home territory at any point in the war you are not treated as a defeated nation and can't be touched in the peace conference

I never touched Brazil while it was in the Axis, and the instant the Axis lost, I could annex Brazil. So your entire statement is flawed.
The only time one is made an exception is if they're in the faction but not in the war.

[SebJedi]

Not sure of the exact requisites, but I'm pretty sure if you have had no combat with allied forces, once Germany and Italy capitulate they'll be in a peace conference without you. In turn you should be the remaining leading member of the Axis. (I'm assuming this because if you're Germany and capitulate France and the U.K without touching the U.K's puppets they aren't included in the peace deal, and U.K puppets end up leading the allies)

[taffmasterlang]

Originally posted by SVaughan:

Originally posted by taffmasterlang:

If you haven't lost any home territory at any point in the war you are not treated as a defeated nation and can't be touched in the peace conference

I never touched Brazil while it was in the Axis, and the instant the Axis lost, I could annex Brazil. So your entire statement is flawed.
The only time one is made an exception is if they're in the faction but not in the war.

I'd have to check the exact requirements in the game rules, but i have repeatedly rushed Britain in 1936 as both Italy (with German help) and Japan (solo), and can say for certain that although their subjects all joined the war, Canada, South Africa the Anzacs are not in the peace conference as defeated nations (however you are able to satellite their integrated puppets India and Malaya) - in your example perhaps another country attacked them, were you watching Brazil the whole war?

Edit: Just checked the help screen, the defeated nations includes countries that "have at least some war participation dealt against them" so if you get a ship sunk, your territory bombed, or suffer casualties from one of the winners you will be included as a defeated nation (even if they not are in same faction, unless they are also at war with the winner), but not if you are completely untouched by anyone who is at war with the losing nation

[Johnny 5]

Yeah if lose anything fighting you are a loser and are open to be taken. This is why Germany doesn't get to take Indonesia if they decide to invade Netherlands super early. Well without doing some stuff

[SVaughan]

Originally posted by taffmasterlang:

Originally posted by SVaughan:

I never touched Brazil while it was in the Axis, and the instant the Axis lost, I could annex Brazil. So your entire statement is flawed.
The only time one is made an exception is if they're in the faction but not in the war.

I'd have to check the exact requirements in the game rules, but i have repeatedly rushed Britain in 1936 as both Italy (with German help) and Japan (solo), and can say for certain that although their subjects all joined the war, Canada, South Africa the Anzacs are not in the peace conference as defeated nations (however you are able to satellite their integrated puppets India and Malaya) - in your example perhaps another country attacked them, were you watching Brazil the whole war?

Edit: Just checked the help screen, the defeated nations includes countries that "have at least some war participation dealt against them" so if you get a ship sunk, your territory bombed, or suffer casualties from one of the winners you will be included as a defeated nation (even if they not are in same faction, unless they are also at war with the winner), but not if you are completely untouched by anyone who is at war with the losing nation

I had locked down the coastline, as I like to cut off supplies from South America to Africa. It may have counted Brazilian convoys or what they call a Navy, when my ships and bombers were doing their interdiction missions.

[SVaughan]

Originally posted by taffmasterlang:

Originally posted by SVaughan:

I never touched Brazil while it was in the Axis, and the instant the Axis lost, I could annex Brazil. So your entire statement is flawed.
The only time one is made an exception is if they're in the faction but not in the war.

I'd have to check the exact requirements in the game rules, but i have repeatedly rushed Britain in 1936 as both Italy (with German help) and Japan (solo), and can say for certain that although their subjects all joined the war, Canada, South Africa the Anzacs are not in the peace conference as defeated nations (however you are able to satellite their integrated puppets India and Malaya) - in your example perhaps another country attacked them, were you watching Brazil the whole war?

Edit: Just checked the help screen, the defeated nations includes countries that "have at least some war participation dealt against them" so if you get a ship sunk, your territory bombed, or suffer casualties from one of the winners you will be included as a defeated nation (even if they not are in same faction, unless they are also at war with the winner), but not if you are completely untouched by anyone who is at war with the losing nation

But no. I never really paid much attention to Brazil. All of my focus was on Europe.