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Včelí medvídek Dec 3, 2021 @ 10:57am 
Progress focus tree.
Wyzard Dec 3, 2021 @ 11:46am 
is this a new featuer - is it a part of stability ?
Last edited by Wyzard; Dec 3, 2021 @ 11:46am
Originally posted by Wyzard:
is this a new featuer - is it a part of stability ?

It`s something the USSR has to deal with in no step back. Basically it`s a meter that fills as time passes. Once it reaches certain threshholds Stalin's paranoia causes an event that cripples the Russian administration or armed forces. There are decisions and national focuses which reduce paranoia, though eventually purge focuses need to be taken (or Stalin gotten rid of).
Wyzard Dec 3, 2021 @ 12:12pm 
Originally posted by Chef:
Originally posted by Wyzard:
is this a new featuer - is it a part of stability ?

It`s something the USSR has to deal with in no step back. Basically it`s a meter that fills as time passes. Once it reaches certain threshholds Stalin's paranoia causes an event that cripples the Russian administration or armed forces. There are decisions and national focuses which reduce paranoia, though eventually purge focuses need to be taken (or Stalin gotten rid of).
intresting , this would be a nice add on for military coups in Fasict state's and civil war's in democractic's state's
lemurs2 Dec 3, 2021 @ 1:41pm 
Why would you want to get rid of the paranoia tree? Do you have something to hide?
J05H1707 Feb 8, 2023 @ 3:00pm 
Originally posted by Chef:
Originally posted by Wyzard:
is this a new featuer - is it a part of stability ?

It`s something the USSR has to deal with in no step back. Basically it`s a meter that fills as time passes. Once it reaches certain threshholds Stalin's paranoia causes an event that cripples the Russian administration or armed forces. There are decisions and national focuses which reduce paranoia, though eventually purge focuses need to be taken (or Stalin gotten rid of).

But how do you completely get rid of Stalin's paranoia
Fargel_Linellar Feb 9, 2023 @ 12:26am 
Originally posted by J05H1707:

But how do you completely get rid of Stalin's paranoia
You go down all the "Purge" focus until the focus "The Bloc of Rights and Trotskyites".
Once this focus is complete, the paranoia end.

Please note that all previous focus with a small sickle are "purge" focus and require a 175 days gap between each. So it will take until 1938 until you can reach the focus "The Bloc of Rights and Trotskyites".
Mack Feb 9, 2023 @ 1:07am 
Originally posted by J05H1707:
Originally posted by Chef:

It`s something the USSR has to deal with in no step back. Basically it`s a meter that fills as time passes. Once it reaches certain threshholds Stalin's paranoia causes an event that cripples the Russian administration or armed forces. There are decisions and national focuses which reduce paranoia, though eventually purge focuses need to be taken (or Stalin gotten rid of).

But how do you completely get rid of Stalin's paranoia
You need to complete the right side of "The Centre" focus path, which is Stalin's path on the Marxism/Leninism focus path.

Take the focuses:
Path of Marxism/Leninism
The Centre
Stalin Constitution
The Zinovyevite Terrorist Center (Causes a purge)
<Wait 176 days, do other focuses during this time>
The Anti-Soviet Trotskyist Center (Causes a purge)
The Workers' Dictatorship
<Wait 176 days, do other focuses>
The Military Conspiracy (Causes a purge)
<Wait 176 days, do other focuses>
The Bloc of Rights and Trotskyites (Causes a purge)

Completing Bloc of Rights removes Paranoia from the game.

During the 176 waits you can fit in two focuses each. You will be tempted to do a 3rd focus so you don't "waste time" but you really want to get rid of Paranoia ASAP.

In those three timegated blocks I suggest doing:
1st gap:
Found PCDI - 35 days.
Strength Mobilisation Plan - 35 Days
PC of Mechanical Engineering - 70 Days.

2nd gap:
Military Engineering University - 35 days
Heavy Industry - 35 days
Means To Wage War - 70 Days

3rd Gap:
Leningrad Polytechnical Institute - 70 days, Research Slot
Behead The Snake - 35 Days
Infrastructure Effort - 35 Days

Once you've finished Bloc of Rights which removes the Paranoia, I would finish off the 5th research slot by going:
Finish The Five Year Plan (you should have enough Factories by this point)
Foreign Experts or National Specialists (Stalingrad Tractor Factory or Gosproyetsky)
Eastern Development
Develop The Urals
USSR Academy of Science, which gives you the research slot.

After that you've got the whole rest of the focus tree but my choices are:
Cohesion First
Rehabilitate Military (if unlocked)
Addressing Internal Affairs
Socialism In One Country
Secure the Administration
Collectivisation Process
Expand The Agitprop
Positive Heroism or Collectivist Propaganda, then finish the next three focuses in a row.
Stalin Cult of Personality
Freedom of Debate Unity Of Action
Fargel_Linellar Feb 9, 2023 @ 1:29am 
Originally posted by Mack:

In those three timegated blocks I suggest doing:
1st gap:
Found PCDI - 35 days.
Strength Mobilisation Plan - 35 Days
PC of Mechanical Engineering - 70 Days.

2nd gap:
Military Engineering University - 35 days
Heavy Industry - 35 days
Means To Wage War - 70 Days

3rd Gap:
Leningrad Polytechnical Institute - 70 days, Research Slot
Behead The Snake - 35 Days
Infrastructure Effort - 35 Days

Doing it this way mean that you will have to gamble with paranoia.
You can always hope for good RNG, but if you want to not leave your game state to chance, you have to do some of the others focus from the Center path.

Rushing for the research slots may also not be optimal. As others focus will yield a far better results in term of factories (both Civs and Mils). And I far better prefer to have 60-80 more mils than had an extra research slots in 1938 (as most interesting tech are after 1939 anyway).
Mack Feb 9, 2023 @ 7:05am 
Paranoia is easy to manage imo with forging reports and inspections in the navy or administration. Better to rush it and get it over with.
Fargel_Linellar Feb 9, 2023 @ 10:30am 
Originally posted by Mack:
Paranoia is easy to manage imo with forging reports and inspections in the navy or administration. Better to rush it and get it over with.
Have you actually tried what you propose? I'm 100% sure that no, reasons below

You forgot about 1 mandatory focus of 70 days.
After the Anti-soviet center, you have to complete the focus "The Worker's dictatorship"

Each gap is also wrong, unless you propose to not take a focus for 35 days?
You have time in each "gap" to make 2*70 days focus and a short one of 35 days (or you can split a 70 days into 2 35 days)
70+70+35=175

Basic math was somehow missed in your focus order...

And let's dive into paranoia.
You have 5 things that can reduce paranoia
Forge paper -20
Investigate army up to -30
Investigate airforce -30
Investigate navy -30
Investigate admnistration -30

They all have a cooldown of 180 days.
Until you complete The Zinovyevite Terrorist Center paranoia will be reduced by focus, so you have nothing to do.

In the next 175 days, paranoia will raise of 2 every 7 days, so it will raise by 50. So we have to use 1 of the 5 option. Ideally one that will reduce it by 30. Let's pick the navy.
The anti-soviet[...] will reduce it by 20 (it add 30, but the event remove 50, so a net negative 20), but it also take 35 days, so we have exactly 10 paranoia after finishing it.

From then, the paranoia raise by 3 every 7 days. So in the next 175 days, it will raise by 75.
The Worker's Dictatorship reduce it by 10, so we have to use another event, let's pick the airforce. That's -30 if timed correctly
We still have too much at some point, so we have to use another event, we can use the navy again, as it's cooldown is done. Another -30 if timed correctly.

So we have 15 when we start the military conspiracy which take another 35 days, so it will raise by another 15 and be at 30 at the end of the focus.
Here we have to use another event, let's forge report -20.
When the focus complete, this reduce it by 20, but we are only at 10, so it goes to 0. (wasting a reduction of 10 paranoia)

We now need 140 days of focus + Behead the snake.
Behead the snake reduce it by 30 and last 35 days
If we take a 35 days focus, paranoia will raise by 15, so we want to do 1 short focus, then behead the snake. It means that we have to gamble for a few weeks, dangerous, but not too much.
We are now back at 0 paranoia. The 105 days left will raise paranoia by 45 + we have to complete the last focus which last another 70 days (or 30 paranoia)
Here's the problem, you only have 1 decision not on cooldown. Investigate the administration. Which can reduce it by 30.
So at best, you can have 15 when you start the focus, but this mean you will have to gamble during 42 days. Which is very likely to have a random purge fire during those days.
Depending on when it fire, you could use the option to refuse it, but this mean putting your paranoia above 50, making random purge more likely each day and making them a great purge where you can't say no.

P.S: This focus order also means that you have to use all 5 decision. The administration one can be crippling, between reducing construction gain and PP gain or removing your captain of industry if you purge any advisor.
Or worse, it could replace the NKVD, raising weekly paranoia by +1 per week, making the last 50-100 days absolutely unmanageable.
Mack Feb 9, 2023 @ 3:56pm 
Originally posted by Fargel_Linellar:
Originally posted by Mack:
Paranoia is easy to manage imo with forging reports and inspections in the navy or administration. Better to rush it and get it over with.
Have you actually tried what you propose? I'm 100% sure that no, reasons below
I tried it last night after I made the post. Went fine.

I did realise like you said that I got some of the timeframe wrong but it ended up not being an issue.
Last edited by Mack; Feb 9, 2023 @ 3:58pm
Fargel_Linellar Feb 10, 2023 @ 1:51am 
Originally posted by Mack:
Originally posted by Fargel_Linellar:
Have you actually tried what you propose? I'm 100% sure that no, reasons below
I tried it last night after I made the post. Went fine.

I did realise like you said that I got some of the timeframe wrong but it ended up not being an issue.
So how did you do the last 300 days of focus without gambling with paranoia RNG?
Or did you let paranoia go above 25?

I'm not saying it can't work, but basing a build on RNG is not great.

While the focus order at the start was imprecise, my main issue is that the decisions are not sufficient to prevent paranoia from going above 25.
You only have 5 decisions which take 180 days to be back from cooldown.

P.S: There's also the idea of rushing for a research slots which is way worse than focusing on focuses that help the industrial build up. How many factories did you have with this build?
A research slots may looks great, but having 100 more factories will be far better.
Mack Feb 10, 2023 @ 3:29am 
It went fine, didn't lose anyone important.

I had enough factories to equip enough infantry to stop the advance of the germans without too much trouble and then counter-attack with 24 medium tank divisions. Once I'd encircled & destroyed enough german units they were able to race from Ukraine to Berlin in a month.
Fargel_Linellar Feb 10, 2023 @ 3:40am 
Originally posted by Mack:
It went fine, didn't lose anyone important.
I like it, when a build a based around hoping that RNG favor you.

The starting 32 mils is enough to build equipment for infantry that will hold against the German AI, so no surprise there.

How long did it take until you pushed back and capitulated the German?

My issue is not that this build doesn't work. Against AI, you could select no focuses at all and still beat the German AI.
But how good is choosing to unlock a research slots early vs going down the political or industrial tree.
If another focus order lead you to have twice as much IC in 1941/2, it is much better than another one.
Both could be good, but one will always be better.
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