Do the special forces buff all units so if I mixed infantry they would also get buff.

[Mikessnow]

Special forces don't seem to have as much damage but a lot more morale but if I mixed it with infantry would infantry also get the buff from marines or mountaineers?

[procrastinatingStudent]

moral? do you mean organization?

so far as i know the buffs(bonus attack, defence, movement) will get watered down depending on the units in the template.

[football5680]

No. The organization is based on the average of every unit that you have in the template. If you have 1 infantry with 60 organization, and 1 special forces unit with 70 organization, the organization for the entire division will be 65.

[Mikessnow]

Originally posted by Lost Latios:

It's best to use Special Forces on their own to maximize the benefits from them. If you spread them out you only give a tiny boost to stats instead of having a nice fleshed out Marine division that'll break through port defenses.

Yeah, that's what I'm meaning but base stats don't seem to do more soft than infantry even with the boost, they just have higher organization which is better than soft?

[|H|H| Fr3ddi3]

Originally posted by Mikessnow:

Originally posted by Lost Latios:

It's best to use Special Forces on their own to maximize the benefits from them. If you spread them out you only give a tiny boost to stats instead of having a nice fleshed out Marine division that'll break through port defenses.

Yeah, that's what I'm meaning but base stats don't seem to do more soft than infantry even with the boost.

Infantry take negative stats in Mountains, it's -60% to their attack. Mountaineers get +35% to their attack (at base value).

Infantry take a whopping -70% to attack when on naval invasions, Marines get a +50% (base value)

Trust me, those kind of penalties and bonuses matter.

Marines and mountaineers also have better capabilities in other terrain types but the 2 above are the big ones and the reason you get them, this does not take into account their defensive stats or movement speed which both unit types get in their favoured terrain.

[Mikessnow]

Originally posted by |H|H| Fr3ddi3:

Originally posted by Mikessnow:

Yeah, that's what I'm meaning but base stats don't seem to do more soft than infantry even with the boost.

Infantry take negative stats in Mountains, it's -60% to their attack. Mountaineers get +35% to their attack (at base value).

Infantry take a whopping -70% to attack when on naval invasions, Marines get a +50% (base value)

Trust me, those kind of penalties and bonuses matter.

Marines and mountaineers also have better capabilities in other terrain types but the 2 above are the big ones and the reason you get them, this does not take into account their defensive stats or movement speed which both unit types get in their favoured terrain.

Ah, that makes sense then, never knew about the negatives, thanks.

I've noticed mountaineers on mountains being able to hold off a lot.

[Nelly]

A follow up question: If i put a pure mountaineer division together with normal infantry, is the frontline logic smart enough to put the mountaineer div into a mountain region?

Or is it just random where the divs get placed on a frontline?

[|H|H| Fr3ddi3]

Originally posted by Nelly:

A follow up question: If i put a pure mountaineer division together with normal infantry, is the frontline logic smart enough to put the mountaineer div into a mountain region?

Or is it just random where the divs get placed on a frontline?

It's random, the only thing the AI tries to do is place more divisions in tiles which are exposed to higher combat width. But it depends on how many divisions it has to work with. The only way to ensure Mountaineers go in Mountains is to place them there yourself with their own seperate orders so they don't get pulled elsewhere.

[Nelly]

Originally posted by |H|H| Fr3ddi3:

Originally posted by Nelly:

A follow up question: If i put a pure mountaineer division together with normal infantry, is the frontline logic smart enough to put the mountaineer div into a mountain region?

Or is it just random where the divs get placed on a frontline?

It's random, the only thing the AI tries to do is place more divisions in tiles which are exposed to higher combat width. But it depends on how many divisions it has to work with. The only way to ensure Mountaineers go in Mountains is to place them there yourself with their own seperate orders so they don't get pulled elsewhere.

Thank you

[jojeck]

There is no major loss from mixing a few infantry battalions into your Mountain or Marine specialist divisions. They will have lower stats but be bigger or you'll have more of them so they go further. They are elite divisions so give them the best support companies and a good general and make sure they're fully trained and fully equipped and in supply.

For instance Japan can have 25 battalions of specialists at the start of the game so using the starting template you could recruit 4 divisions with 6 battalions of marines. But after gaining a little experience you could change that marine template to be 5 marine battalions and 5 infantry and then have 5 bigger elite divisions which are nearly twice as big, a lot more durable but have lower specialist stats. These divisions will be great for invasions of China or for crossing rivers or fighting in marshes.

[GenericArchangel]

I'd also consider putting AMTRACs in your armored divisions, even one battalion is enough to make tanks useful for naval invasions.