Axis never win in historical mode, even with external help

[Virthuss (法國人在台灣)]

New player here ( or kind of, I can win games in normal difficulty in non historical, or with allies in historical ).
In historical mode I never saw the axis winning.

I tried several times:
- new persian empire spanning from Egypt to India. I was litterally as strong as Italy at some point. I successfully conquered Armenia/Geogia etc and opened a new front north of Afghanistan while supplying Germany with oil and supplies. They still lost.
- argentinian league. All south america went fascist and joined Axis ( i shared the south with fascist Peru and Brazil, up to the Panama canal ). Despite my wolf pack of Submarines destroying any convoys going through the Atlantic, They lost.
- Fascist Romania, turtled as much as possible so the soviet would crash on my defenses until Germany arrived years after with Barbarossa ( I kept Bessarabia ). Despite having killed millions of Soviets and having my oil, they lost.
- Facsist Sweden. Occupied Norway and Denmark then joined the Axis. Because Finland was my ally and I joined them during the Winter war, the white truce didnt applied to me and Germany was attacked by USSR before they even invaded Benelux due to Axis alliance lol. They lost.

The main problem I witnessed was:
- Japan really doesnt do anything. When I had the new persian empire we litterally shared ALL Asia. Beside invading Pearl Harbour, they then stayed iddle. They should break the truce and attack USSR ( USSR did by the end of the war in real life, forcing Japan into surrender alongside Hiroshima ). I think they should be in the Axis and not in their own faction.
- USA is overpowered and ALWAYS beat Germany before 1944 ( Germany is already condemned by 1943 )
- Germany doesnt leave troops at his coastline to stay safe from an invasion like they should do.

I like to play as minor faction helping the axis as I think it's the most challenging thing to do atm ( I could play fascist France or fascist UK, but then it would be a bit too easy for them then ). Any advice?

[Aluminate]

Seen the UK fail, lose and an indefinite war between the US/Reich.

[Retired]

Idk what game you’re playing, but its the opposite for me. Japan steam rolls the pacific, and Germany destroys Russia. Italy takes over Africa.

[Virthuss (法國人在台灣)]

Originally posted by red_dragon:

Idk what game you’re playing, but its the opposite for me. Japan steam rolls the pacific, and Germany destroys Russia. Italy takes over Africa.

If I dont help Japan, it almost always fails to win against China. When it takes Indochina there's no troops there so Yunan takes it. In the best case, there's a stalemate.
Japan wins only if I supply it, or if as one of the chinese warlord, I stab China on the back.
Italy does take over Africa, except the southermost part around the South Africa border.
As for Germany... They really do well, but they are on their own. I just feel like the USSR is overpowered, and USA even more... I never saw Germany actually reach Stalingrad, to give you example.

Originally posted by Aluminate:

Seen the UK fail, lose and an indefinite war between the US/Reich.

Easier said than done. With New Persian Empire I manage to slaughter millions of brits, and they were still fighting. Meanwhile, I was already using all my man power. One of the reason why being having half of my army guarding my coastline, USA and UK trying to invade me non stop from my Iranian coastline.

I play normal difficulty, ironman, basic settings, no mod, historical ( non historical is easy as ♥♥♥♥ )

[KriegerKR]

The best way to make sure Germany wins as an Axis minor is to invade the UK for them. Do this as early as possible to prevent the USA joining the Allies.

This way a peace deal will fire, and Axis members will get land in Canada. This will make them more likely to invade the US. Without interference from the Allies, Germany will easily destroy the Soviet Union.

I can generally naval invade the UK as an Axis minor. It could take a minute for them to be stupid with their ships and leave an opening so your inferior navy can start the invasion. Puppet the UK and France after winning at least in one province if possible, as you will get both of their navies.

[Virthuss (法國人在台灣)]

Originally posted by Krieger:

The best way to make sure Germany wins as an Axis minor is to invade the UK for them. Do this as early as possible to prevent the USA joining the Allies.

This way a peace deal will fire, and Axis members will get land in Canada. This will make them more likely to invade the US. Without interference from the Allies, Germany will easily destroy the Soviet Union.

I can generally naval invade the UK as an Axis minor. It could take a minute for them to be stupid with their ships and leave an opening so your inferior navy can start the invasion. Puppet the UK and France after winning at least in one province if possible, as you will get both of their navies.

French is a major, so I think it wouldn't be challenging. As a minor, how do you invade UK? Their forces are much higher than yours, and their fleet won't let you approach the coast line...

[KriegerKR]

Originally posted by Virthuss ( French in Tw ):

Originally posted by Krieger:

The best way to make sure Germany wins as an Axis minor is to invade the UK for them. Do this as early as possible to prevent the USA joining the Allies.

This way a peace deal will fire, and Axis members will get land in Canada. This will make them more likely to invade the US. Without interference from the Allies, Germany will easily destroy the Soviet Union.

I can generally naval invade the UK as an Axis minor. It could take a minute for them to be stupid with their ships and leave an opening so your inferior navy can start the invasion. Puppet the UK and France after winning at least in one province if possible, as you will get both of their navies.

French is a major, so I think it wouldn't be challenging. As a minor, how do you invade UK? Their forces are much higher than yours, and their fleet won't let you approach the coast line...

Germany and Italy will take care of France, so you can plan a naval invasion from a French port. You really only need a stack of 24 units to take the UK, as they barely garrison their island until the late game due to having so many overseas provinces. The main issue as you said is naval supremacy. You can generally get superiority in the channel long enough for your invasion. If not, dedicate some factories to naval bombers and wear them down so they have to go repair their fleet.

[Scotvince]

If Axis always loose, then the game is pretty well balanced.

[Kharnath]

i have seen japan conquer all the way from china to iran(-+90% of my games)
the allies seem to completely ignore japan in all my games.

italy pretty much always takes the whole of africa because the uk ai does not understand how fleets work and refuses to defend against naval invasion from italy.
soviet union usually loses too because they get double teamed by germany and japan.

in any case i rarely see the axis lose if i don't intervene directly which means i have to play a major ally like the us, uk, or france

you might simply be unlucky.

[Virthuss (法國人在台灣)]

Originally posted by Kharnath:

i have seen japan conquer all the way from china to iran(-+90% of my games)
the allies seem to completely ignore japan in all my games.

italy pretty much always takes the whole of africa because the uk ai does not understand how fleets work and refuses to defend against naval invasion from italy.
soviet union usually loses too because they get double teamed by germany and japan.

in any case i rarely see the axis lose if i don't intervene directly which means i have to play a major ally like the us, uk, or france

you might simply be unlucky.

The problem is
- Japan ignoring USSR due to non agression pact that only Japan respected in history
- Japan is not really Axis in the game. They won't help once they are done with Asia and usually give no ♥♥♥♥ about USA.

Originally posted by Scotvince:

If Axis always loose, then the game is pretty well balanced.

I think I'm actually succeeded in my current game. As a fascist Australia I'm basically Ubooting the hell out of any ennemy convoy on the whole map.

[5-6-5-7-7-7-4-3-4-6-089-9]

Quite the opposite in my experience.

As a minor Axis country the only thing I've ever had to do was defeat the UK navy with Naval Bombers and/or submarines either in the Mediterranean or near the English Channel.

Germany will then be able to secure Air Superiority and invade the UK.

In my opinion, the UK in game is actually the weakest major power, because they 1) Lack Manpower 2) Focus most of their factories on producing Fighters and Navy 3) They lack resources and most of their resources are far away and can be easily taken and 4) Because of the aforementioned points they have the weakest army of the major powers.

Their main advantage is that they are isolated, but this can also be their greatest weakness.

:p

[Virthuss (法國人在台灣)]

Originally posted by ÀĹРΉΆВℇ✛:

Quite the opposite in my experience.

As a minor Axis country the only thing I've ever had to do was defeat the UK navy with Naval Bombers and/or submarines either in the Mediterranean or near the English Channel.

Germany will then be able to secure Air Superiority and invade the UK.

In my opinion, the UK in game is actually the weakest major power, because they 1) Lack Manpower 2) Focus most of their factories on producing Fighters and Navy 3) They lack resources and most of their resources are far away and can be easily taken and 4) Because of the aforementioned points they have the weakest army of the major powers.

Their main advantage is that they are isolated, but this can also be their greatest weakness.

:p

I m actually slowly starting to get interesting by naval power, where before I was more focused on land armies. I have no interest in air battles though so I usually just assign the jets I already have to an army for air superiority and that's it. Lol

[Retired]

Originally posted by Virthuss ( French in Tw ):

Originally posted by red_dragon:

Idk what game you’re playing, but its the opposite for me. Japan steam rolls the pacific, and Germany destroys Russia. Italy takes over Africa.

If I dont help Japan, it almost always fails to win against China. When it takes Indochina there's no troops there so Yunan takes it. In the best case, there's a stalemate.
Japan wins only if I supply it, or if as one of the chinese warlord, I stab China on the back.
Italy does take over Africa, except the southermost part around the South Africa border.
As for Germany... They really do well, but they are on their own. I just feel like the USSR is overpowered, and USA even more... I never saw Germany actually reach Stalingrad, to give you example.

Originally posted by Aluminate:

Seen the UK fail, lose and an indefinite war between the US/Reich.

Easier said than done. With New Persian Empire I manage to slaughter millions of brits, and they were still fighting. Meanwhile, I was already using all my man power. One of the reason why being having half of my army guarding my coastline, USA and UK trying to invade me non stop from my Iranian coastline.

I play normal difficulty, ironman, basic settings, no mod, historical ( non historical is easy as ♥♥♥♥ )

USA ai are completely useless. It’s laughable at times. The most USA will do is take Italy, which is rare. From what I've read is that the AI can’t reach the pacific. Pretty much the ai is brain dead when it comes to naval invasions. I really hope hope they find a way to fix it.

[AdmiralPiett]

"Axis never win historical mode"

In other news, you can't fly in Minecraft Survival Mode and you can't respawn in War Thunder Simulator Mode

[Virthuss (法國人在台灣)]

Originally posted by AdmiralPiett:

"Axis never win historical mode"

In other news, you can't fly in Minecraft Survival Mode and you can't respawn in War Thunder Simulator Mode

It's a game, factions are supposed to be balanced for playability reason.
And yeah, Axis probably lost in real world, by not by 43, not by being declared war because YOLO by USA around 41/42 ( sometimes even earlier ), and Japan didn't invade the WHOLE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Asian continent only to take a seat and look at Germany having fun being wrecked by USA while they were next on the allies list.

[Shortpower]

Originally posted by Virthuss ( French in Tw ):

Originally posted by AdmiralPiett:

"Axis never win historical mode"

In other news, you can't fly in Minecraft Survival Mode and you can't respawn in War Thunder Simulator Mode

It's a game, factions are supposed to be balanced for playability reason.
And yeah, Axis probably lost in real world, by not by 43, not by being declared war because YOLO by USA around 41/42 ( sometimes even earlier ), and Japan didn't invade the WHOLE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Asian continent only to take a seat and look at Germany having fun being wrecked by USA while they were next on the allies list.

Tried a game as Sweden joining the Axis
Annexed Denmark/Norway, made a large army, landed para on Britain (2 failed attempts) killed the allies, supported the German push into USSR with mechanized divisions doing encirclements.
Quit before killing US though too much of a chore but it was impossible for Germany to die anymore.

As Iran I suggest not joining the Axis so they don't get themselves killed swimming to you or burn themselves out slamming through that awful terrain. Instead if I'm around there I usually let the Soviets walk into my land before encircling and killing the divisions(this is my go to as most nations), siezing the oil on the border helps too.

Alternatively if you don't like micro I suggest building an airforce, if it's all you focus on you'll eclipse the AI air forces. CAS unimpeded will outright delete the soviet army. This is my go to as Baltic States due to generally relying on Soviets/Germans to fight my wars for me. If I go with Poland I spit out poorly equipped 20 Widths with the fascist political tree to aid with manpower (easiest to do as Lithuania since you can protect Memel)

As for Romania/Spain (similar boat imo) you should be able to outright solo the soviet union by just making a relatively large infantry army (with plenty of arty) on superior firepower doctrine and turning on a frontline.

I can make an example video later if you're curious how to go about any of these but I figure it's more fun to figure it out a bit.