Best German National Focus path?

[james31tn]

Hello,
I saw an interesting post on Reddit about a suggested best national focus path for Germany.
However, it was a 5yo post so I wonder if some of the things posted no longer matter.
For example, the post said Rhineland first then "industry" down to "2". I do not find any NF for "industry" at all, much less two of em in a row.

So my question to the community is two parts:

1) am I correct that the 5yo post refers to Foci that no longer exist due to patches and DLCs?

2) what -today- is the best NF?


In the 5yo post the theory behind that particular NF path was that Germany could absorb Yugo, Greece, and Czech/Austria before even beginning the war (i.e. Poland).
Is this still possible nowadays with today's DLCs?

T I A

[Mack]

The Four Year Plan branch is the industry NF branch. It gives two 100% bonuses for Industry.

Autarky then gives you 2 bonuses for excavation and a special national spirit that boosts your civ, mil and dock construction by 10%.

You can use 4 year plan to rush to rush down the Dispersed/Concentrated industry tree. Unless you're going for super early war, then for German the basics plans most everyone goes down are:
Electronics, Radio & Research
Machine Tools
Construction
Industry (Dispersed/Concentrated)
You can usually rush all of these to the 2nd level, which is when you can do Four Year Plan and then rush one of them to level 4 (best one is just Dispersed/Concentrated).

You will have a 4th slot at the start, if you aren't doing exploits with the tech saving, most of the time this will be for your tank rush. Treaty with USSR & Army Innovations 2 provide massive bonuses to Medium Tanks (or you can rush Heavy 2 and get them before 1940).

The Anschluss branch is the one where you can keep getting various annexations puppeting. You would do this by delaying Danzig or War.

Apart from the usual (Austria and Czechoslovakia), the branch also has Demand Memel (which provides claims on Poland as well), then Demand Slovenia then Fate of Yugoslavia (where you can take the entire country).

Second Ljubljana award you can take Thessaly, Macedonia and Epirus. Fate of Greece you can just puppet what's left, not really worth it.

If you manage to do it all without starting a war, you would end up with all of Austria, all of Czechoslovakia, Memel Province, all of Yugoslavia and a puppeted Greek rump state.

If Poland makes it's Międzymorze faction (usually by setting non-historical) you're laughing because you can then take Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia and sometimes Romania, in a war without triggering the Allies or Soviets as long as you get in early enough.

Now the question "is it still possible". I have no idea. France does so many guarentees it's insane.

[Kettenkrad]

its possible looking at what the guy said above, the only issue is Yugoslavia

Austria barely declines.

Sudetenland is determined by the French and Brits, but i think the Czechoslovaks do have a small chance of declining. Usually tho, a strong army on French border is enough to make them all submit.

Czechoslovakia is mostly determined by the allies but the Czechoslovaks do have a small chance of declining. Usually tho, a strong army on French border is enough to make them all submit.

Lithuania barely declines as long as you got tough troops, so free land

Slovenia is largely determined by both the France and Britain, THEN Yugoslavia. France and Britain may give in but Yugoslavia often has decent chance of refusing,

Yugoslavia is largely determined by both the France and Britain, THEN Yugoslavia. France and Britain may give in but they are largely likely to decline. Yugoslavia often has high chance of refusing, once France and UK submit, you are offered some choices, puppet, annex, croatian puppet, Yugoslavian and Croatian Puppet, etc, some of these have higher chance of refusal than others but outright annexing has a very high chance, they rarely ever submit and refuse here often.

Greece is a bit easier, you can take their land and as long as you have a large army, usually 100+ divisions, they will submit as a puppet.

[daxter]

Originally posted by james31tn:

Hello,
I saw an interesting post on Reddit about a suggested best national focus path for Germany.
However, it was a 5yo post so I wonder if some of the things posted no longer matter.
For example, the post said Rhineland first then "industry" down to "2". I do not find any NF for "industry" at all, much less two of em in a row.

So my question to the community is two parts:

1) am I correct that the 5yo post refers to Foci that no longer exist due to patches and DLCs?

2) what -today- is the best NF?


In the 5yo post the theory behind that particular NF path was that Germany could absorb Yugo, Greece, and Czech/Austria before even beginning the war (i.e. Poland).
Is this still possible nowadays with today's DLCs?

T I A

I got this from feedback gaming on Youtube. Do Rhineland, use the 5 army experience to create a new division of cavalry that is 1 cav. Then build up so that you have 5 armies. 3 of them being all cav division of one unit cav. Then you switch them all to the base infantry unit division that comes with Germany and then your deployed manpower will skyrocket to about I think 800,000. You'll be able to annex austria and then annex Czechoslovakia by the end of 1936. Then do the typical industry focuses and army focuses. You get more military factories quicker that way and lets you build civ factories quicker. It's pretty broken.

Also I have found that having high relations with the target country of an annexation improves the chances of succeeding.

[George Smith Patton]

Originally posted by 505. Schwere Panzer Abteilung:

its possible looking at what the guy said above, the only issue is Yugoslavia

Austria barely declines.

Sudetenland is determined by the French and Brits, but i think the Czechoslovaks do have a small chance of declining. Usually tho, a strong army on French border is enough to make them all submit.

Czechoslovakia is mostly determined by the allies but the Czechoslovaks do have a small chance of declining. Usually tho, a strong army on French border is enough to make them all submit.

Lithuania barely declines as long as you got tough troops, so free land

Slovenia is largely determined by both the France and Britain, THEN Yugoslavia. France and Britain may give in but Yugoslavia often has decent chance of refusing,

Yugoslavia is largely determined by both the France and Britain, THEN Yugoslavia. France and Britain may give in but they are largely likely to decline. Yugoslavia often has high chance of refusing, once France and UK submit, you are offered some choices, puppet, annex, croatian puppet, Yugoslavian and Croatian Puppet, etc, some of these have higher chance of refusal than others but outright annexing has a very high chance, they rarely ever submit and refuse here often.

Greece is a bit easier, you can take their land and as long as you have a large army, usually 100+ divisions, they will submit as a puppet.

Originally posted by 505. Schwere Panzer Abteilung:

its possible looking at what the guy said above, the only issue is Yugoslavia

Austria barely declines.

Sudetenland is determined by the French and Brits, but i think the Czechoslovaks do have a small chance of declining. Usually tho, a strong army on French border is enough to make them all submit.

Czechoslovakia is mostly determined by the allies but the Czechoslovaks do have a small chance of declining. Usually tho, a strong army on French border is enough to make them all submit.

Lithuania barely declines as long as you got tough troops, so free land

Slovenia is largely determined by both the France and Britain, THEN Yugoslavia. France and Britain may give in but Yugoslavia often has decent chance of refusing,

Yugoslavia is largely determined by both the France and Britain, THEN Yugoslavia. France and Britain may give in but they are largely likely to decline. Yugoslavia often has high chance of refusing, once France and UK submit, you are offered some choices, puppet, annex, croatian puppet, Yugoslavian and Croatian Puppet, etc, some of these have higher chance of refusal than others but outright annexing has a very high chance, they rarely ever submit and refuse here often.

Greece is a bit easier, you can take their land and as long as you have a large army, usually 100+ divisions, they will submit as a puppet.

What if you go to war with poland in 1936? I did that and they outright refused even austria in one game, however i did not have any troops on the border, couod this be why?

[George Smith Patton]

Originally posted by acdoob:

Originally posted by james31tn:

Hello,
I saw an interesting post on Reddit about a suggested best national focus path for Germany.
However, it was a 5yo post so I wonder if some of the things posted no longer matter.
For example, the post said Rhineland first then "industry" down to "2". I do not find any NF for "industry" at all, much less two of em in a row.

So my question to the community is two parts:

1) am I correct that the 5yo post refers to Foci that no longer exist due to patches and DLCs?

2) what -today- is the best NF?


In the 5yo post the theory behind that particular NF path was that Germany could absorb Yugo, Greece, and Czech/Austria before even beginning the war (i.e. Poland).
Is this still possible nowadays with today's DLCs?

T I A

I got this from feedback gaming on Youtube. Do Rhineland, use the 5 army experience to create a new division of cavalry that is 1 cav. Then build up so that you have 5 armies. 3 of them being all cav division of one unit cav. Then you switch them all to the base infantry unit division that comes with Germany and then your deployed manpower will skyrocket to about I think 800,000. You'll be able to annex austria and then annex Czechoslovakia by the end of 1936. Then do the typical industry focuses and army focuses. You get more military factories quicker that way and lets you build civ factories quicker. It's pretty broken.

Also I have found that having high relations with the target country of an annexation improves the chances of succeeding.

Originally posted by acdoob:

Originally posted by james31tn:

Hello,
I saw an interesting post on Reddit about a suggested best national focus path for Germany.
However, it was a 5yo post so I wonder if some of the things posted no longer matter.
For example, the post said Rhineland first then "industry" down to "2". I do not find any NF for "industry" at all, much less two of em in a row.

So my question to the community is two parts:

1) am I correct that the 5yo post refers to Foci that no longer exist due to patches and DLCs?

2) what -today- is the best NF?


In the 5yo post the theory behind that particular NF path was that Germany could absorb Yugo, Greece, and Czech/Austria before even beginning the war (i.e. Poland).
Is this still possible nowadays with today's DLCs?

T I A

I got this from feedback gaming on Youtube. Do Rhineland, use the 5 army experience to create a new division of cavalry that is 1 cav. Then build up so that you have 5 armies. 3 of them being all cav division of one unit cav. Then you switch them all to the base infantry unit division that comes with Germany and then your deployed manpower will skyrocket to about I think 800,000. You'll be able to annex austria and then annex Czechoslovakia by the end of 1936. Then do the typical industry focuses and army focuses. You get more military factories quicker that way and lets you build civ factories quicker. It's pretty broken.

Also I have found that having high relations with the target country of an annexation improves the chances of succeeding.

Thats creative lol🤣

[lakupupu]

Originally posted by George Smith Patton:

Originally posted by 505. Schwere Panzer Abteilung:

its possible looking at what the guy said above, the only issue is Yugoslavia

Austria barely declines.

Sudetenland is determined by the French and Brits, but i think the Czechoslovaks do have a small chance of declining. Usually tho, a strong army on French border is enough to make them all submit.

Czechoslovakia is mostly determined by the allies but the Czechoslovaks do have a small chance of declining. Usually tho, a strong army on French border is enough to make them all submit.

Lithuania barely declines as long as you got tough troops, so free land

Slovenia is largely determined by both the France and Britain, THEN Yugoslavia. France and Britain may give in but Yugoslavia often has decent chance of refusing,

Yugoslavia is largely determined by both the France and Britain, THEN Yugoslavia. France and Britain may give in but they are largely likely to decline. Yugoslavia often has high chance of refusing, once France and UK submit, you are offered some choices, puppet, annex, croatian puppet, Yugoslavian and Croatian Puppet, etc, some of these have higher chance of refusal than others but outright annexing has a very high chance, they rarely ever submit and refuse here often.

Greece is a bit easier, you can take their land and as long as you have a large army, usually 100+ divisions, they will submit as a puppet.

Originally posted by 505. Schwere Panzer Abteilung:

its possible looking at what the guy said above, the only issue is Yugoslavia

Austria barely declines.

Sudetenland is determined by the French and Brits, but i think the Czechoslovaks do have a small chance of declining. Usually tho, a strong army on French border is enough to make them all submit.

Czechoslovakia is mostly determined by the allies but the Czechoslovaks do have a small chance of declining. Usually tho, a strong army on French border is enough to make them all submit.

Lithuania barely declines as long as you got tough troops, so free land

Slovenia is largely determined by both the France and Britain, THEN Yugoslavia. France and Britain may give in but Yugoslavia often has decent chance of refusing,

Yugoslavia is largely determined by both the France and Britain, THEN Yugoslavia. France and Britain may give in but they are largely likely to decline. Yugoslavia often has high chance of refusing, once France and UK submit, you are offered some choices, puppet, annex, croatian puppet, Yugoslavian and Croatian Puppet, etc, some of these have higher chance of refusal than others but outright annexing has a very high chance, they rarely ever submit and refuse here often.

Greece is a bit easier, you can take their land and as long as you have a large army, usually 100+ divisions, they will submit as a puppet.

What if you go to war with poland in 1936? I did that and they outright refused even austria in one game, however i did not have any troops on the border, couod this be why?

my go to germany strat even if monarchist is to justify on poland so i have a goal by oct '36, and i've only seen austria denying anschluss once on an entirely unrelated modded playthrough

[daxter]

Originally posted by George Smith Patton:

Originally posted by acdoob:

I got this from feedback gaming on Youtube. Do Rhineland, use the 5 army experience to create a new division of cavalry that is 1 cav. Then build up so that you have 5 armies. 3 of them being all cav division of one unit cav. Then you switch them all to the base infantry unit division that comes with Germany and then your deployed manpower will skyrocket to about I think 800,000. You'll be able to annex austria and then annex Czechoslovakia by the end of 1936. Then do the typical industry focuses and army focuses. You get more military factories quicker that way and lets you build civ factories quicker. It's pretty broken.

Also I have found that having high relations with the target country of an annexation improves the chances of succeeding.

Thats creative lol🤣

It makes playing Germany too easy lol

[Kettenkrad]

Originally posted by George Smith Patton:

What if you go to war with poland in 1936? I did that and they outright refused even austria in one game, however i did not have any troops on the border, couod this be why?

Well im assuming NO war by what the OP states, you can take poland easily and do all the steps above, but that requires war, even if allies dont join

Anyway, I almost always attack poland first then do Austria, they likely declined because 1. You had a weak army. Even if you didnt have a weak army, no troops on the border makes you look weak, you know how you can hover over the arrow on a battle plan and see "superior enemy' or "inferior enemy" the ai judges like thet when you are on their border.
Its almost 100% austria decline because you were not bordering austria

Austria and Lithuania are the only two where you don't border France.

[HenryWalker]

About Yugoslavia I think it depends only on Yugoslavia itself. Once I had like only 24 divisions directly at their border when I clicked to annex them all. They refused but when I had most of my army on their border they be like: fine you can have it

[CABAAL]

the best way to play german is to ignore political focus(rhineland) completely and manually justify on everyone.

[HenryWalker]

really?

[captain403]

Originally posted by Feelsbadman:

the best way to play german is to ignore political focus(rhineland) completely and manually justify on everyone.

Give up cores on Austria and the Sudetenland? I think not!

[CABAAL]

Give up cores on Austria and the Sudetenland? I think not! [/quote]
hmm if u want bigger core u can conquer the world, turn into democratic and form eu for bigger core. also austria core is guranteed for any non commie germany.

[AngloWarlord]

hitler