New resource - horses

[logosbox]

Shouldn't horses be a resource? I converted all my infantry divisions to cavalry for better speed and organization - but that's like a million or more horses used. Where do they come from?

[ilham FREEMONEY.NET]

no

[Bourgeois Conformist]

I think it's a perfectly valid point, especially since horses continued to play an important role in logistics, and replacing dead horses is not easily done, cavalry horses in particular.

Then again, the game does not really need another ressource to be managed ;)

[Aromisuola]

Originally posted by Chef:

I think it's a perfectly valid point, especially since horses continued to play an important role in logistics, and replacing dead horses is not easily done, cavalry horses in particular.

Then again, the game does not really need another ressource to be managed ;)

I think more resources would be valid if they would let us stockpile the materials

If i import a surplus of 100 steel for 10 months where does that steel go? It just vanishes into thin air apparently

Warehouse dlc when

[Megarboh]

play black ice or total war

[Lewis Nixon]

The problem is that no player will ever declare war for the purpouse of seizing the horse farms. What then, is the point of making them a resource if they will not affect gameplay?

And besides, if the country needs more horses they can always breed more, unlike raw materials.

[Cpl. Burden R 3294]

Originally posted by NIXON III:

And besides, if the country needs more horses they can always breed more, unlike raw materials.

Do correct me if I am wrong on the details, but I seem to recall reading that the number of horses killed during the Napoleonic Wars was so great that the number of horses in Europe had only just gotten back to their c1800 levels a century or so later, juuuust in time for the 1st World War.

They were very much a strategic resource.

[Bourgeois Conformist]

Originally posted by NIXON III:

The problem is that no player will ever declare war for the purpouse of seizing the horse farms. What then, is the point of making them a resource if they will not affect gameplay?

And besides, if the country needs more horses they can always breed more, unlike raw materials.

The problem with breeding horses is that they're living beings, with personalities, traits, etc. It also takes several years for them to grow into workhorses (cavalry horses need extra training as well, let alone that only very few horses can actually perform in active combat.) If they were a ressource, it should be handled similar to manpower.

[Preacher]

Originally posted by Chef:

Originally posted by NIXON III:

The problem is that no player will ever declare war for the purpouse of seizing the horse farms. What then, is the point of making them a resource if they will not affect gameplay?

And besides, if the country needs more horses they can always breed more, unlike raw materials.

The problem with breeding horses is that they're living beings, with personalities, traits, etc. It also takes several years for them to grow into workhorses (cavalry horses need extra training as well, let alone that only very few horses can actually perform in active combat.) If they were a ressource, it should be handled similar to manpower.

Lol no one is saying they should turn hoi4 into horse farm sim 2021.

[Lewis Nixon]

It's very true that horsepower is often overlooked in ww2. And for good reason, because horsepower is the most uninteresting aspect of the war. I think the game is right to just assume that these nations can manage their own horsepower needs. Otherwise, you are only introducing a complication without improving gameplay.

[Morvana]

Originally posted by NIXON III:

It's very true that horsepower is often overlooked in ww2. And for good reason, because horsepower is the most uninteresting aspect of the war.

I doubt it's the reason. My bet ? It's completely forgotten because nobody was really proud of their horses and showed them in the propaganda. It was a symbol of the old days compared to a plane or a tank! On the contrary, the enemy was showing yours to "prove" you were a barbarian (like the germans who created the myth of the polish cavalry charges against tanks).


For using horses as a ressource in the game, it could be interesting if you could make your entire plan revolve around it (ex: I will "produce" a lot of horses for my mobility to preserve my oil for my planes), but a usable horse should have at least 4 years to be usable, so it's more a plan for decades, and not a few years before war (that was probably one of the biggest advantage of motorisation at this time, you can produce them quickly when your horses are already all used). In that case it would be a ressource just like manpower, and I doubt it would add a lot to the game.

A case were it could be interesting: if food is also introduced. Horses would have their own cost in food and could be used as "emergency rations". In that case it would be a ressource of interest. Should I sacrifice a part of my logistic/mobility to help my troops/population during this winter ?
Don't forget the numbers, germany used 2.75 millions horses during WWII, the soviets 3.5 millions... In HoI IV you can "easily" create an alternate history were all these horses aren't needed for the army and are usable for other things (helping in the fields, or directly as food).

[George Smith Patton]

Originally posted by Chef:

I think it's a perfectly valid point, especially since horses continued to play an important role in logistics, and replacing dead horses is not easily done, cavalry horses in particular.

Then again, the game does not really need another ressource to be managed ;)

Originally posted by Chef:

I think it's a perfectly valid point, especially since horses continued to play an important role in logistics, and replacing dead horses is not easily done, cavalry horses in particular.

Then again, the game does not really need another ressource to be managed ;)

I think horses would be good, however a system to use them would be difficult, to increase or decrease their population rather than bulid them in factories lol.

[verves2]

Think of horses as part of your manpower resource. To make them useful, they need training like the same as training divisions. Some are part of your civilian manpower pool. You can increase manpower through decisions, focuses, and conquering other countries. Policies or focuses can change the proportion that are civilian to military.