New update plays historic speeches... but no German speeches?

[Mason]

I've noticed little speeches play throughout the game when certain focuses are finished, but how come not a single german speech is played? No Hitler? No Goebbels? They had some of the most epic speeches ever recorded in human history. DO YOU WANT TOTAL WAR? JA!!! I can't help but feel the developers are biased.

[Bourgeois Conformist]

You shouldn't. Germany is superbuffed in this game.

Hitler and Göbbels held some of the most malign, despicable speeches recorded. The damage they made Germany inflict on the world (and Germany itself) is the only thing "epic", in a catastrophically evil way.

[kåtast]

Originally posted by Chef:

You shouldn't. Germany is superbuffed in this game.

Hitler and Göbbels held some of the most malign, despicable speeches recorded. The damage they made Germany inflict on the world (and Germany itself) is the only thing "epic", in a catastrophically evil way.

yes now go play the most accurate simulator of this catastrophic epicness, clearly to you, unlike the rest of us, this is a serious study of human suffering..sigh at peoples moral wankery today

spEeCh bAd lEaD tO vIoLeNcE, i wIlL nOw eNtErTaIn mYseLf wItH tHe vIoLenCe

imo they shouldnt have any speech voicings

[lakupupu]

Originally posted by Chef:

You shouldn't. Germany is superbuffed in this game.

Hitler and Göbbels held some of the most malign, despicable speeches recorded. The damage they made Germany inflict on the world (and Germany itself) is the only thing "epic", in a catastrophically evil way.

paradox just wouldnt want to do axis speeches for this reason, no matter how many people want it

allied speeches are ridiculous enough, why would i want to listen to a speech nonstop?

[Mason]

Originally posted by Chef:

You shouldn't. Germany is superbuffed in this game.

Hitler and Göbbels held some of the most malign, despicable speeches recorded. The damage they made Germany inflict on the world (and Germany itself) is the only thing "epic", in a catastrophically evil way.

bro it's a video game

[MagnusCerebrum]

There's a mod for that:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1340422660&searchtext=decision+speeches

It contains Axis speeches aswell. I never read dev diaries and such because I always play modded, as in I didn't hear of any speeches being added, but I didn't know that pdx prefers one genocidal dictator over another.

[Mikey]

Originally posted by Mason:

bro it's a video game

True, but you refered to the real events as epic and he stated his opinion on the real events so why does it matter if it's just a game?

[CyanideTaco]

Sure the speeches are rousing but this isn't the same case as soviet american british or even polish speeches. It's disrespectful I think to use speeches which called for extermination and invasion of nations there as it borders on glorifying the nazi regime, which you are straight up doing now

[Lance]

The Devs want to be able to legally sell the game throughout the EU, which it can't do if it includes things like that. So none of those speeches just like no swastika flag, no references to death camps, etc.

[Mason]

Originally posted by Mikey:

Originally posted by Mason:

bro it's a video game

True, but you refered to the real events as epic and he stated his opinion on the real events so why does it matter if it's just a game?

Because those real events were in fact epic, so epic that we're talking about them even today and playing a video game about them. If paradox is gonna play the speeches then I want to hear all of them, simple as.

[Azrael]

Originally posted by Lost Latios:

Originally posted by Lance:

The Devs want to be able to legally sell the game throughout the EU, which it can't do if it includes things like that. So none of those speeches just like no swastika flag, no references to death camps, etc.

Swastikas were green lit recently, as long as you tell them what you are doing with it and they agree. This is mostly aimed at representing the symbol accurately in games with historical roots.

That is what I would hope for speeches. As much as you can say it 'glorifies the regime', it also puts the danger into context. It shows you for how long this man managed to fool the world, and his own people, and how long it took the the world to catch on. In my opinion, history should be learned from, not hidden or banned away as if it would unleash Pandora's box.

Yeah, but this game is no history class, it is for entertainment purposes, as most games (with notable exceptions like Assassins Creed, offering much historical info on buildings, people, political factions and in recent titles a peaceful study mode solely learning).

So people wouldn't hear these speeches to learn from the past, but to arouse themselves.
It is ok to do so on speeches promoting freedom but on speeches promoting racial extermination and Nazi Ideology? Dude, no, just no.

It has nothing to do with "hiding" history, if you want to listen to Hitler Speeches, google it, you can find them, there is nothing hidden.

It has to do with not delivering nazis and wannabe-nazis a tool to live out their fantasy of being Hitler.

[kåtast]

Originally posted by Azrael:

Originally posted by Lost Latios:

Swastikas were green lit recently, as long as you tell them what you are doing with it and they agree. This is mostly aimed at representing the symbol accurately in games with historical roots.

That is what I would hope for speeches. As much as you can say it 'glorifies the regime', it also puts the danger into context. It shows you for how long this man managed to fool the world, and his own people, and how long it took the the world to catch on. In my opinion, history should be learned from, not hidden or banned away as if it would unleash Pandora's box.

Yeah, but this game is no history class, it is for entertainment purposes, as most games (with notable exceptions like Assassins Creed, offering much historical info on buildings, people, political factions and in recent titles a peaceful study mode solely learning).
ng freedom but on speeches promoting racial extermination and Nazi Ideology? Dude, no, just no.

It has nothing to do with "hiding" history, if you want to listen to Hitler Speeches, google it, you can find them, there is nothing hidden.
So people wouldn't hear these speeches to learn from the past, but to arouse themselves.
It is ok to do so on speeches promoti

It has to do with not delivering nazis and wannabe-nazis a tool to live out their fantasy of being Hitler.

can you apply this logic to other games, such as GTA? or is glorification of violence, murder, hell even world wars completely fine, but some speech can be dangerous for some players to roleplay in? it seems to me you're gonna have a difficult time navigating with that logic in the realm of entertainment. do you never play hoi as germany, or have you found a safe-way to play it or what, it's okay to play hitlerreich so long his speeches arent in it? like where do you even draw the line? yeah good luck. enjoy your already censored entertainment

as mentioned before i oppose these historical speeches in hoi, there are some mods that have them and i found them only to be in the way of immersion rather then adding to it

[MAG]

Originally posted by Chef:

You shouldn't. Germany is superbuffed in this game.

Hitler and Göbbels held some of the most malign, despicable speeches recorded. The damage they made Germany inflict on the world (and Germany itself) is the only thing "epic", in a catastrophically evil way.

Okay? It's historical and we shouldn't censor it.

[Azrael]

Originally posted by kåtast:

Originally posted by Azrael:

Yeah, but this game is no history class, it is for entertainment purposes, as most games (with notable exceptions like Assassins Creed, offering much historical info on buildings, people, political factions and in recent titles a peaceful study mode solely learning).
ng freedom but on speeches promoting racial extermination and Nazi Ideology? Dude, no, just no.

It has nothing to do with "hiding" history, if you want to listen to Hitler Speeches, google it, you can find them, there is nothing hidden.
So people wouldn't hear these speeches to learn from the past, but to arouse themselves.
It is ok to do so on speeches promoti

It has to do with not delivering nazis and wannabe-nazis a tool to live out their fantasy of being Hitler.

can you apply this logic to other games, such as GTA? or is glorification of violence, murder, hell even world wars completely fine, but some speech can be dangerous for some players to roleplay in? it seems to me you're gonna have a difficult time navigating with that logic in the realm of entertainment. do you never play hoi as germany, or have you found a safe-way to play it or what, it's okay to play hitlerreich so long his speeches arent in it? like where do you even draw the line? yeah good luck. enjoy your already censored entertainment

as mentioned before i oppose these historical speeches in hoi, there are some mods that have them and i found them only to be in the way of immersion rather then adding to it

Yeah, because you're treating over a border there. All the stuff you mentioned is only virtual, pixels. If they kill each other or you do, don't mind.

But these speeches are real. That is the difference, they were spoken by real people and case of the nazi speeches, real nazis.

They shouldn't be played for entertainment purposes, as we all know, what the nazis advocated for.

[Riflas]

lmao EU such cucks when it comes to Germany's history

[kåtast]

Originally posted by Azrael:

Originally posted by kåtast:

can you apply this logic to other games, such as GTA? or is glorification of violence, murder, hell even world wars completely fine, but some speech can be dangerous for some players to roleplay in? it seems to me you're gonna have a difficult time navigating with that logic in the realm of entertainment. do you never play hoi as germany, or have you found a safe-way to play it or what, it's okay to play hitlerreich so long his speeches arent in it? like where do you even draw the line? yeah good luck. enjoy your already censored entertainment

as mentioned before i oppose these historical speeches in hoi, there are some mods that have them and i found them only to be in the way of immersion rather then adding to it

Yeah, because you're treating over a border there. All the stuff you mentioned is only virtual, pixels. If they kill each other or you do, don't mind.

But these speeches are real. That is the difference, they were spoken by real people and case of the nazi speeches, real nazis.

They shouldn't be played for entertainment purposes, as we all know, what the nazis advocated for.

you are left to trolling because you have dug yourself so deep in inconsistencies, all this because you wanted to signal your good morals, it makes you feel better than others

a speech from 1940s is today just bits on a harddrive, the people are dead, at what bitrate is it dangerous? at what resolution is it photorealistic enough? when does it come alive, according to you? this all becomes so abstract and nitty picky because your logic failed

you can kill all you want in games, but if you do it as germans in hoi4 things get problematic and its no longer considered entertainment, roger