Good German division templates?

[Saryn]

I have started looking into changing some division templates to spice my game up but I just cannot decide on the best templates for Nazi Germany. I know Germany should focus on motorised infantry and panzer divisions but I don't know any good templates for them, the same goes for infantry.

Anyone got good template designs for infantry, motorised and panzer?

Also, what type of support equipment should go into each division? I know MP is good for cavalry.

[AkatoshForfax]

If you are playing against AI the standard infantry division will be fine, german main offensive is the tanks anyway. For tanks try making 7 medium tanks 2 Medium Self propelled artillery and 1 Self propelled AA and 8 motorized/mech. For support make Signal, logistics and recon the other 2 are up to you tbh.

[captain403]

Originally posted by Nyet:

For support make Signal, logistics and recon the other 2 are up to you tbh.

I use eng, recon, hosp, maint, and logistics.

[Bourgeois Conformist]

Divisions which work well:


2 LSPART
4 Medium Tanks
3 Motorized

This is easier to produce than divisions based on the 15 / 5 template.


2 LSPART
4 Light Tanks
3 Mechanized (need Army Innovations II and rush this)

This template, despite not using medium tanks, has enough punch and breakthrough, while being very fast, allowing a better exploitation of breakthroughs.


These are 20 width, just double the numbers for 40 width. Engineers, Support Artillery, Logistics, Maintenance and armoured Recon as support.

[Saryn]

Originally posted by Chef:

Divisions which work well:


2 LSPART
4 Medium Tanks
3 Motorized

This is easier to produce than divisions based on the 15 / 5 template.


2 LSPART
4 Light Tanks
3 Mechanized (need Army Innovations II and rush this)

This template, despite not using medium tanks, has enough punch and breakthrough, while being very fast, allowing a better exploitation of breakthroughs.


These are 20 width, just double the numbers for 40 width. Engineers, Support Artillery, Logistics, Maintenance and armoured Recon as support.

LSPART?

[captain403]

Originally posted by Frikkie:

Originally posted by Chef:

Divisions which work well:


2 LSPART
4 Medium Tanks
3 Motorized

This is easier to produce than divisions based on the 15 / 5 template.


2 LSPART
4 Light Tanks
3 Mechanized (need Army Innovations II and rush this)

This template, despite not using medium tanks, has enough punch and breakthrough, while being very fast, allowing a better exploitation of breakthroughs.


These are 20 width, just double the numbers for 40 width. Engineers, Support Artillery, Logistics, Maintenance and armoured Recon as support.

LSPART?

Light self propelled artillery. Variant of light tanks.

[S2]

Originally posted by captain403:

Originally posted by Frikkie:

LSPART?

Light self propelled artillery. Variant of light tanks.

People will probably understand LSPG better, you rarely read SPART.

[Dampfnudel]

Originally posted by Frikkie:

I have started looking into changing some division templates to spice my game up but I just cannot decide on the best templates for ♥♥♥♥ Germany. I know Germany should focus on motorised infantry and panzer divisions but I don't know any good templates for them, the same goes for infantry.

Anyone got good template designs for infantry, motorised and panzer?

Also, what type of support equipment should go into each division? I know MP is good for cavalry.

Against AI it does not matter. Just stack things that give softattack.
AI does not build tanks. So do not bother with anti-tank stuff or hard attack.

[S2]

Concerning German templates:

As you regularly fight many opponents with bigger numbers of planes i tend to include AA in my templates:

-infantry: 16 inf, 2 (foot) art, 2 (foot) aa [switch one inf with one MSPAT if you can afford)
-medium tank division: 10 tank, 6 mechanized,1 SPG, 1SPAT, 5 SPAA

SPAA greatly reduce the malus of enemy air superiority while still adding to hard and soft attack.
They only take 1 battle width and require only 24 SPAA per battalion.


More useful than regular inf as Germany are special forces imo. With 3m fielded manpower you can do 6x 20w paratroopers, marines and mountaineers each.

[Včelí medvídek]

Originally posted by Dampfnudel:

Against AI it does not matter. Just stack things that give softattack.
AI does not build tanks. So do not bother with anti-tank stuff or hard attack.

Actually you can see lot of AI tanks - in particular for Germany, Soviet or US. The only issue is that only Germany has armor research on high priority so due randomness they cna stay quite long with light tank and variants only (whcih is sometime silly eg. seeing USA in 44 not researched basic medium yet)

[Field Marshall]

For infantry what i do mostly because i like do add a little historical organization 9 infantry battalions with 2 artillery battalions or if i don't have the artillery just 10 infantry battalions. With Support engineer company with artillery support company and Field hospitals to save manpower and maybe logistical company if i reach 150 divisions. Motorized 9 truck battalions with 1-2 motorized artillery battalions with a standard support company's.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I'll be blunt, there are hundreds of threads and videos on this very subject that you could research. It'd be faster just to do a google search than make a thread and wait for replies to trickle in.

[Saryn]

Originally posted by Tyrannosaurus Rex:

I'll be blunt, there are hundreds of threads and videos on this very subject that you could research. It'd be faster just to do a google search than make a thread and wait for replies to trickle in.

Yeah, I have been looking at those too, but I also like to hear what other people do.

[captain403]

Originally posted by S2:

Originally posted by captain403:

Light self propelled artillery. Variant of light tanks.

People will probably understand LSPG better, you rarely read SPART.

I've been playing wargames for 35-ish years. To me, SPG's are direct fire guns - Stugs and ISUs for example. SPARTY on the other hand, is self propelled artillery - indirect fire weapons - hummel, priest, and sexton.

Having said that, broadly speaking, either abrieviation is acceptable to cover either purpose.

[Field Marshall]

Originally posted by captain403:

Originally posted by S2:

People will probably understand LSPG better, you rarely read SPART.

I've been playing wargames for 35-ish years. To me, SPG's are direct fire guns - Stugs and ISUs for example. SPARTY on the other hand, is self propelled artillery - indirect fire weapons - hummel, priest, and sexton.

Self propelled artillery to my knowledge is a bit wider term you know like a tank there's different types of tanks but it's still a tank same can be said for Self propelled artillery. technically speaking a tank is self propelled artillery. I seriously find it unlikely most people will understand SPARTY-hell i didn't- you probably be better off using SPH (self propelled howitzers)

[captain403]

Originally posted by Field Marshall:

I seriously find it unlikely most people will understand SPARTY-hell i didn't- you probably be better off using SPH (self propelled howitzers)

Most wargamers (especially old school gamers) will know what SPARTY is. I would think a very high proportion of HOI players are wargamers.