Incompetent ai

[Spiritphone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpyeN_LXUKE&t=3s

[Doc J]

Come to think of it, just a question that's been sticking in my head, is there any reason that I'm not seeing that Germany builds those 27 width infantry divisions? AM I missing something?

[S2]

Just get expert AI mod and put in on "Normal - challenging". Whole new game.

[Spiritphone]

Originally posted by S2:

Just get expert AI mod and put in on "Normal - challenging". Whole new game.

Expert ai doesn't stop the ai from completely abandoning their frontline. There are alot of problems with the ai that arnt addressed by any mods, ai dose not use its units effectively at all and when there are multiple fronts it completely falls apart and cannot defend itself regardless of what mods you're using.

[S2]

Originally posted by Marxisms:

Originally posted by S2:

Just get expert AI mod and put in on "Normal - challenging". Whole new game.

Expert ai doesn't stop the ai from completely abandoning their frontline. There are alot of problems with the ai that arnt addressed by any mods, ai dose not use its units effectively at all and when there are multiple fronts it completely falls apart and cannot defend itself regardless of what mods you're using.

That is strange. In my games with expert AI i think i only had it once that AI abandoned parts of the front for virtually no reason (France - Magninot line).

All other cases i had were when the Ai was already quite low on manpower and some other front was in the process of desintegrating. E.g. France abandoning french-italian border when Germany breaks through Belgium. In these cases i understand the redeployment of troops in order to save vital strategic points (Paris), though AI should not abandon a front completely but let a few divisions remain to at least slow down the opponent.

[Spiritphone]

Originally posted by S2:

Originally posted by Marxisms:

Expert ai doesn't stop the ai from completely abandoning their frontline. There are alot of problems with the ai that arnt addressed by any mods, ai dose not use its units effectively at all and when there are multiple fronts it completely falls apart and cannot defend itself regardless of what mods you're using.

That is strange. In my games with expert AI i think i only had it once that AI abandoned parts of the front for virtually no reason (France - Magninot line).

All other cases i had were when the Ai was already quite low on manpower and some other front was in the process of desintegrating. E.g. France abandoning french-italian border when Germany breaks through Belgium. In these cases i understand the redeployment of troops in order to save vital strategic points (Paris), though AI should not abandon a front completely but let a few divisions remain to at least slow down the opponent.

Ive had french lose the Magninot line Because when they were moveing around divisions, just abandoning parts the line to let the Germans take it.

[GoldenTalon]

Originally posted by Marxisms:

Originally posted by S2:

That is strange. In my games with expert AI i think i only had it once that AI abandoned parts of the front for virtually no reason (France - Magninot line).

All other cases i had were when the Ai was already quite low on manpower and some other front was in the process of desintegrating. E.g. France abandoning french-italian border when Germany breaks through Belgium. In these cases i understand the redeployment of troops in order to save vital strategic points (Paris), though AI should not abandon a front completely but let a few divisions remain to at least slow down the opponent.

Ive had french lose the Magninot line Because when they were moveing around divisions, just abandoning parts the line to let the Germans take it.

Hey OP - I've been saying this for three years so I hear ya. Here's a recent game where AI units just up and leave the Maginot undefended. There's no AI programmer any more so don't count on this getting fix.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1693832439

Originally posted by Marxisms:

Originally posted by S2:

Just get expert AI mod and put in on "Normal - challenging". Whole new game.

Expert ai doesn't stop the ai from completely abandoning their frontline. There are alot of problems with the ai that arnt addressed by any mods, ai dose not use its units effectively at all and when there are multiple fronts it completely falls apart and cannot defend itself regardless of what mods you're using.

I like Expert AI but there's many things it can't fix because PDX is unwilling to release their code, Chrondite has said this already many times.

[Spiritphone]

I dont think ill be playing hoi anymore, I just get no enjoyment out of interacting with punching bags. I might be crazy but i dont remember the ai always doing this I might go back and look at older versions, because they atleast used to keep troops on the front most of the time to my memory.

[_MeeGee_]

Originally posted by GoldenTalon:

Hey OP - I've been saying this for three years so I hear ya. Here's a recent game where AI units just up and leave the Maginot undefended. There's no AI programmer any more so don't count on this getting fix.

oh man, really?

I left this game alone for 2 years so it might develop and be more enjoyable. My number one issue was the AI...


Paradox I will not buy all your DLC like I was intending to, unless the AI is fixed. Hear my cry!

[bubbas]

Originally posted by _MeeGee_:

Originally posted by GoldenTalon:

Hey OP - I've been saying this for three years so I hear ya. Here's a recent game where AI units just up and leave the Maginot undefended. There's no AI programmer any more so don't count on this getting fix.

oh man, really?

I left this game alone for 2 years so it might develop and be more enjoyable. My number one issue was the AI...


Paradox I will not buy all your DLC like I was intending to, unless the AI is fixed. Hear my cry!

Maybe you should play the game little yourself and make up your own opinion?

That way you don't have to trust some complete strangers online who have complained about the game ever since it's release.

To clarify the point of no AI programmer GoldenTalon brings up all the time is as follows; almost two years ago they temporarily assigned a person (SteelVolt) to specifically help work on the AI, which the whole HOI4-team has worked on ever since the beginning and they still do. He was later moved to other projects.

[D3st]

Originally posted by bubbas:

Originally posted by _MeeGee_:

oh man, really?

I left this game alone for 2 years so it might develop and be more enjoyable. My number one issue was the AI...


Paradox I will not buy all your DLC like I was intending to, unless the AI is fixed. Hear my cry!

Maybe you should play the game little yourself and make up your own opinion?

That way you don't have to trust some complete strangers online who have complained about the game ever since it's release.

To clarify the point of no AI programmer GoldenTalon brings up all the time is as follows; almost two years ago they temporarily assigned a person (SteelVolt) to specifically help work on the AI, which the whole HOI4-team has worked on ever since the beginning and they still do. He was later moved to other projects.

From what ive read,every dev have bring a lil of code for the ai design.They dont have a ai programmer only.Actually tho,I think they are failling somewhere to make it right.They should make usable this part of the file code for modder cause some of them could work on it and might be more skilled then the dev who have created the game.Not saying they are bad at it tho but they are not good either otherwise ai would be fixed already.If they do not fix the ai to be resonnabble in heart of iron 4 you can be sure im not going to buy the next dlc or title.Going to be over for me.Not going to encourage them to do this.

[_MeeGee_]

OK, thanks for clarification guys.

I suppose that many games you always have to invest at least a little bit in creating the illusion yourself.

Like playing Skyrim or lately for me Kingdom Come - you have ridiculous AI behaviour at times, but other times you are riding through the forests and you are there!

I'll play the base game when I'm ready and see how it goes


EDIT - something I said long ago, in games like Starcraft 2 they ended up just looking at the best player strategies and creating build orders and tactical moves/micro out of those.

Why not look at the multiplayer games and copy some of those styles, try to get them into code?

[Blue Foot]

I think the foreign nation ai is a damn supercomputer compared to the frontline ai. I literally just gave my guys a fallback line (maginot up to the channel)and they immediately began wandering the country side. And when one guy did make it to where he was supposed to go, a single infantry division beat him and it through the whole line into chaos. Nobody was going to where I wanted and now I am salt. Icky.

[Spiritphone]

Originally posted by bubbas:

Originally posted by _MeeGee_:

oh man, really?

I left this game alone for 2 years so it might develop and be more enjoyable. My number one issue was the AI...


Paradox I will not buy all your DLC like I was intending to, unless the AI is fixed. Hear my cry!

Maybe you should play the game little yourself and make up your own opinion?

That way you don't have to trust some complete strangers online who have complained about the game ever since it's release.

To clarify the point of no AI programmer GoldenTalon brings up all the time is as follows; almost two years ago they temporarily assigned a person (SteelVolt) to specifically help work on the AI, which the whole HOI4-team has worked on ever since the beginning and they still do. He was later moved to other projects.

LOL I have 900 hours into this game and clearly showed a problem with video evidence and you're telling him not to trust me? You are a moron sir.

[bubbas]

Originally posted by Marxisms:

LOL I have 900 hours into this game and clearly showed a problem with video evidence and you're telling him not to trust me? You are a moron sir.

If you check my post again, you might see that I am actually quoting a post by _MeeGee_ where he quotes a post by GoldenTalon who I am refering to while you are not mentioned anywhere in my post.

[lakeclouds]

Originally posted by Marxisms:

I dont think ill be playing hoi anymore, I just get no enjoyment out of interacting with punching bags. I might be crazy but i dont remember the ai always doing this I might go back and look at older versions, because they atleast used to keep troops on the front most of the time to my memory.

The fact that the AI is so horrible was one of the reasons I haven't bothered with this game. The AI in Hoi3 has issues but it's decent. Darkest Hour has a good AI. What happened with Hoi4?