Historical inaccuracies as Spain

[[PWM] Sir. Paulord]

Link to the paradox forums discussion: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/historical-inaccuracies-as-spain.1082232/

In the game on the 1936 start date Manuel Azaña appears as the president of Spain under the popular front, however, the president should be Nieto Alcalá Zamora, who ruled Spain as an independent politician from 1931 to the 7th of april, 1936.

And also, the republican side wan't communist during the civil war. The republican army was full of socialists, communists and anarchists, but the goverment remained democratic under Manuel Azaña until the end of the republic. José Diaz wasn't the president of Spain at any moment of the republic.

So yeah, Paradox please fix.

[Lysenko]

I believe Republican Spain is communist because otherwise they wouldn't get aid and volunteers from the Russians.

[[PWM] Sir. Paulord]

The key word is believe. Republican Spain wasn't communist, that's just a fact. The president was Manuel Azaña, not José Diaz. The only reasons why the soviets helped Spain was because of 1. Fear of that the fascists would win 2. The possiblity of a communist revolution in Spain.

[qwert]

you'll have to wait until spain gets a dlc

[Ëvïlnïck8 ゴゴゴ]

Ideology system is very simplefied anyway right now.

As said by Lysenkoite republican spain is commie so the Soviet AI will send in volenteers and they are commie for the same reason Stalins, Moa's and Trotsky's communism are all just communism, for making the game more simple and less clustered with 20 ideologies witch are slightly diffrent from another.

[[PWM] Sir. Paulord]

Originally posted by Ëvïlnïck8:

Ideology system is very simplefied anyway right now.

As said by Lysenkoite republican spain is commie so the Soviet AI will send in volenteers and they are commie for the same reason Stalins, Moa's and Trotsky's communism are all just communism, for making the game more simple and less clustered with 20 ideologies witch are slightly diffrent from another.

Yeah but rn there's no excuse. Just add a national spirit that improves aceptance of communist diplomacy turn the get soviet volunteers into a decition for Spain that they can take during the civil war (like japan can do, but more balanced) and that's it, historical Spain.

[Včelí medvídek]

Well was not Azaña neamed as president already at february 1936 after election? (he started his office indeed at april-may though) - does not amke much sense do such changes jsut two months since game began.

And yea, it is a game and as such it needs to work - making Republic spain democratic would collide with game mechanic. And actualy there was small "civil war" in republic front faction itself (eg. "May Days" in Barcelona, May 1937.

Anyway you should post this at paradox forum, can nto expect them spending time reading on Steam, thats just platform for selling..

[Lysenko]

Originally posted by Sir. Paulord HFGL:

The key word is believe. Republican Spain wasn't communist, that's just a fact. The president was Manuel Azaña, not José Diaz. The only reasons why the soviets helped Spain was because of 1. Fear of that the fascists would win 2. The possiblity of a communist revolution in Spain.

I'm not denying that republicans weren't communists, just saying that for them to get help from the communists as they did historically, they had to be in HoI4 for the sake of game mechanics.

[[PWM] Sir. Paulord]

Originally posted by Včelí medvídek:

Well was not Azaña neamed as president already at february 1936 after election? (he started his office indeed at april-may though) - does not amke much sense do such changes jsut two months since game began.

What do you mean by "it doesn't make much sense"? That's like saying that adding king michael's coup to the romanian tree doesn't make much sense because they got occupied by the soviets shortly after. Yes, it's not too much of an issue but it's not historical, and this game is entirely based around history. Plus, if they ever do a tree for Spain (which they should), It would be a cool idea to be able to re-elect Nieto and create a reversed civil war in which the communist uprise or something.

Originally posted by Včelí medvídek:

And yea, it is a game and as such it needs to work - making Republic spain democratic would collide with game mechanic. And actualy there was small "civil war" in republic front faction itself (eg. "May Days" in Barcelona, May 1937.

Anyway you should post this at paradox forum, can nto expect them spending time reading on Steam, thats just platform for selling..

As I said on my previous comment, yeah but rn there's no excuse. Just add a national spirit that improves aceptance of communist diplomacy turn the get soviet volunteers into a decition for Spain that they can take during the civil war (like japan can do, but more balanced) and that's it, historical Spain. And yes, there was clashes between different parts of the republican front, but that's just the left being divided, what's new?

[Včelí medvídek]

Sorry it my sound disrespectful to your country history, btu you should always ask and think in concept of game.

What would change if they make different president for first 2 month of gameplay? Just name and picture (maybe) - soemthing not important or even noted by 99,999% of players. If you feel it need to be fixed report it to paradox, there is literaly tens of thosuands names in game even the politics pool is huge, so with bit luck they could address it (or they will tune it with specific focus tree for Spain that may indeed be introduced in future as already mentioned)

And to second - yes officialy republic was democratic but not in all parts of Spain and Stalin had clearly own agenda why support it (there was even very active soviet secret service and so on and so on..). But gamewise its ntos o easy to baalnce it. Acceptance woudl nto change much and special focuses will make it mroe unblaanced as country need spend time and political power for it.

[[PWM] Sir. Paulord]

Originally posted by Včelí medvídek:

Sorry it my sound disrespectful to your country history, btu you should always ask and think in concept of game.

What would change if they make different president for first 2 month of gameplay? Just name and picture (maybe) - soemthing not important or even noted by 99,999% of players. If you feel it need to be fixed report it to paradox, there is literaly tens of thosuands names in game even the politics pool is huge, so with bit luck they could address it (or they will tune it with specific focus tree for Spain that may indeed be introduced in future as already mentioned)

Nieto would only rule two months in game, but that's would be historically accurate. There's no reason not to do it, that's my point.

Originally posted by Včelí medvídek:

And to second - yes officialy republic was democratic but not in all parts of Spain and Stalin had clearly own agenda why support it (there was even very active soviet secret service and so on and so on..). But gamewise its ntos o easy to baalnce it. Acceptance woudl nto change much and special focuses will make it mroe unblaanced as country need spend time and political power for it.

What do you mean "not in all parts of Spain? Yes, the communists and the anarchists made a lot of noise, but the goverment was still democratic, there was no equal share of goods like in communism. Stalin was an idiot, remember that. If he really supported Spain not just to stop the fascist menace but to start a revolution in it, his plans were flawed. The extreme left was pretty divided, there where two ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ communist parties and they were fighting each other constantly ffs. The idea of the radical left gaining control in spain at the time of the civil war is impossible, the only reason why the fought together furing the civil war was because they had a much bigger and much stronger common enemy. And even then they were still fighting each other.

Also, I dont understand hat you say about it being unbalanced. acceptance of communist diplomacy would be there just for realistic reasons (like hirohito has warrior code) and I don't see how adding more decisions and focus tree to a country is automatically unbalanced. They wouldn't even need to use decisions to get soviet volunteers, an event would do just fine, really.

[[PWM] Sir. Paulord]

Originally posted by Islamic State of Gaming:

hurrdurr my pinko communists weren't technically pinko communists.

*Implies Manuel Azaña was a communist* Congratulations! You just won the international competition of knowing absolutly nothing about spanish history but talking about it! Your prize is the hability to shut up.

[[PWM] Sir. Paulord]

Link to the paradox forums discussion: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/historical-inaccuracies-as-spain.1082232/