Stupidly complex game not worth getting unless you are retired, unemployed, or a student.

[omegacon4]

If you are retired, unemployed, or a student (all whom have practically unlimited free time to spend learning how to play stupidly complex games like this), then this might be the game for you.

If you have limited free time on your hands, then save your money and look elsewhere.

Just sat through a 7-part tutorial on Youtube which took 3+ hours of my life that I will never get back. All that just to get a basic understanding of how to play this stupidly complicated game.

Decided not to waste any more of my free time on this game.

Moving on to Strategic Command: World at War. At least that game looks like I don't have to spend hours watching tutorials just to learn the basics.

[xelakerley]

bg brain gaems two hard 4 me

[Warren]

@GoldenTalon
Deflated Ball? It's Paradox, which makes the "Game". That means: You want a deflated Ball? Pay me $20 for the "Ball DLC", now in Store! And yeah, there are some bugs, like the Ball is Full of Holes like a Swiss Cheese, but hey, you can buy "Repair the Ball" DLC for another $20 !

And now back to HoI4: That was exactly what Paradox was doing when putting Things like "Pincer Attack" in the Battle-Plans behind the DLC-Paywall.

Only good Thing is, Johan didn't get his Mana (aside from Things like PP) into it, like "If you want to touch the Ball, you need 50 Sports Power!"

[Blackbeard_teach]

i bought it on weekend and yes, you could stay untill 3 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ AM and not notice

[griff]

lucas pando a écrit :

The problem is literally the opposite, it's mind boggingly simple to the point where I'm worried about how you find it complex

It's really not. Figuring out how to do anything in this game as a beginner is very difficult...and the fact that there are 10 hour youtube guides dedicated to basics would run contrary to your opinion. It may be simple to you, but to 99% of people picking it up for the first time, it's not.

[rhettrongun]

I tend to agree with the OP. I played the heck out of HoI3 when I was a student, and then got this when I was still technically a student (in doc program at that point). So, I already knew the basic idea of how the game played, plus still had plenty of time to play a computer game.

Now that I'm out working though, there are few complicated games like this that I'm willing to sit down and trudge through the learning curve on. I picked up steel division 2, and although I was impressed with it, have never taken the time to learn it. Still sitting at something like 3 hours played.

[GoldenTalon]

Warren a écrit :

@GoldenTalon
Deflated Ball? It's Paradox, which makes the "Game". That means: You want a deflated Ball? Pay me $20 for the "Ball DLC", now in Store! And yeah, there are some bugs, like the Ball is Full of Holes like a Swiss Cheese, but hey, you can buy "Repair the Ball" DLC for another $20 !

And now back to HoI4: That was exactly what Paradox was doing when putting Things like "Pincer Attack" in the Battle-Plans behind the DLC-Paywall.

Only good Thing is, Johan didn't get his Mana (aside from Things like PP) into it, like "If you want to touch the Ball, you need 50 Sports Power!"

LOL. Good analogy, Although I'd say PP is a bit of a mana play.

Nick a écrit :

lucas pando a écrit :

The problem is literally the opposite, it's mind boggingly simple to the point where I'm worried about how you find it complex

It's really not. Figuring out how to do anything in this game as a beginner is very difficult...and the fact that there are 10 hour youtube guides dedicated to basics would run contrary to your opinion. It may be simple to you, but to 99% of people picking it up for the first time, it's not.

That's what OP is saying. I'll add that unlike WitE or WitW that have steep learning curves the "payoff" from investing the time to learn HOI4 is seeing how broken it is.

[Skippah]

HOI IV for beginners can be pretty tough. I have been playing since HOI 3, and have almost 900+ hours in HOI IV by now, I will say this: to fully master the game it took me nearly 100-200 hours, then I could finally say, I know (almost) everything. I find the game to be very rewarding when you finally have figured it out.

If you want to play a game for many hours, with a lot of replay value, you will require a dificult game, if the game was easy it would have no replay value. I’m at the point now where I can win with any country I pick, and I’m trying to stay mostly historically accurate as this is the most fun in my opinion. That’s my two cents.

[Blackbeard_teach]

Skippah a écrit :

HOI IV for beginners can be pretty tough. I have been playing since HOI 3, and have almost 900+ hours in HOI IV by now, I will say this: to fully master the game it took me nearly 100-200 hours, then I could finally say, I know (almost) everything. I find the game to be very rewarding when you finally have figured it out.

If you want to play a game for many hours, with a lot of replay value, you will require a dificult game, if the game was easy it would have no replay value. I’m at the point now where I can win with any country I pick, and I’m trying to stay mostly historically accurate as this is the most fun in my opinion. That’s my two cents.

dude,you ignore one aspect of your army and boom, AI got you beat.

[Benny]

I played a lot of HOI3 and that is a quite complex game. Took a few days to figure out. You have to micro manage every single division on eastern front on max difficulty.

Just bought this in the weekend. It is fun, but incredibly dumbed down compared to HOI3. Took me 2 hours to learn basics (trough ingame) and about 10 to win first campaign as dritte reich.

It is really not that complex.

[Warren]

About Learning the Game for Beginners: HoI4 is really easy for Beginners, even much more than HoI2 was.

And it's also about your own Style of Learning a Grand-Strategy-Title: As i learned how to play "War in the East", I did the Tutorial, after that watching a YT Tutorial and after that, i read the Manual. Had the Manual open in the Left Corner of the Screen and the Game in the Right Corner and did it Step-by-Step, some Hours only reading and not playing at all.

If you really want to learn a complex Game, you can do it - also when it's a Plane-Simulator like MS Flight Simulator and other Stuff. But you have to read the f*cking Manual, to watch the Videos, play the Tutorials and finally: To have enough Time.

But it's not the Games Fault, when you don't have enough Time, then you're in the wrong Genre.

[Marian]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ normies taking over the industry. That's why u get the games that you get. Fallout 4, skyrim, outer worlds, minecraft etc etc, all dumbed down to meet your normies expectations. Just go and play some facebook games where you belong lmao.

[GoldenTalon]

Warren a écrit :

About Learning the Game for Beginners: HoI4 is really easy for Beginners, even much more than HoI2 was.

And it's also about your own Style of Learning a Grand-Strategy-Title: As i learned how to play "War in the East", I did the Tutorial, after that watching a YT Tutorial and after that, i read the Manual. Had the Manual open in the Left Corner of the Screen and the Game in the Right Corner and did it Step-by-Step, some Hours only reading and not playing at all.

If you really want to learn a complex Game, you can do it - also when it's a Plane-Simulator like MS Flight Simulator and other Stuff. But you have to read the f*cking Manual, to watch the Videos, play the Tutorials and finally: To have enough Time.

But it's not the Games Fault, when you don't have enough Time, then you're in the wrong Genre.

The point is the reward for spending the time to learn the game is realizing how crappy the game is. As someone who played HOI2 and WitE I'm sure you can see that.

Benny a écrit :

I played a lot of HOI3 and that is a quite complex game. Took a few days to figure out. You have to micro manage every single division on eastern front on max difficulty.

Just bought this in the weekend. It is fun, but incredibly dumbed down compared to HOI3. Took me 2 hours to learn basics (trough ingame) and about 10 to win first campaign as dritte reich.

It is really not that complex.

You have to micro in HOI4 as well as frontline tool never worked despite numerous bug reports.

[Blaei ⁧⁧V4]

omegacon4 a écrit :

morph113 a écrit :

I bought the game yesterday and I got the basics down after around 2 hours and another 2 hours to learn the rest of the game mechanics. It's really not that complicated if you played other strategy games before, in particular games from Paradox. I don't think watching youtube videos is the best way to learn the game, unless you already spent tons of time on the game and still don't understand it.

The good thing about games from Paradox is, that everything is explained in detail in the game via tooltips. It's a matter of learning the UI and going through each UI element one by one. Each tooltip of each UI element tells you what it is, what it does, what affects it, how much of it you got etc. It's all pretty self explanatory and the rest you can figure out by using logic.

Also I'm sure you knew before buying the game that it's gonna be a complex game and that it takes some hours to learn how to play it, or at least you should have read some reviews beforehand. If you don't have the time to learn the game then maybe stick to simple casual games like Super Mario and Tetris.

HO!4's GUI and tooltips do NOT explain the importance of creating generals or field marshals.

Nor does it explain how to min-max the vast number of decisions and inputs in the game such as the optimal division configuration,(40 vs 20), naval ship / sub configuration, civilian-to-military-factory ratio-to-convoy trading configuration, etc.

I am looking for the grand strategy game equivalent of chess: easy to learn the game mechanics, harder to learn how to win.

For me at least, HOI4 is like learning to install the electrical wiring and water plumbing systems in my home when all I have is a toolkit that is properly labeled.

Can I do it after a lengthy period of time? Probably. Do I consider it a fun endeavor? No, not at all.

"I am looking for the grand strategy game equivalent of chess: easy to learn the game mechanics, harder to learn how to win."

Try AOC2 or the upcoming AOC3.

[Unreliable_Colon]

waaah i have to think too much waaaah

[GoldenTalon]

TympanelBroom64 a écrit :

omegacon4 a écrit :

HO!4's GUI and tooltips do NOT explain the importance of creating generals or field marshals.

Nor does it explain how to min-max the vast number of decisions and inputs in the game such as the optimal division configuration,(40 vs 20), naval ship / sub configuration, civilian-to-military-factory ratio-to-convoy trading configuration, etc.

I am looking for the grand strategy game equivalent of chess: easy to learn the game mechanics, harder to learn how to win.

For me at least, HOI4 is like learning to install the electrical wiring and water plumbing systems in my home when all I have is a toolkit that is properly labeled.

Can I do it after a lengthy period of time? Probably. Do I consider it a fun endeavor? No, not at all.

"I am looking for the grand strategy game equivalent of chess: easy to learn the game mechanics, harder to learn how to win."

Try AOC2 or the upcoming AOC3.

Age of Civilizations 2 is a map painter more like a low end EUIV. The better alternative is Darkest Hour or HOI3 for RTS and Strategic Command WW2 or Order of Battle for TBS,

Unreliable_Babysitter a écrit :

waaah i have to think too much waaaah

What???