Historical Game Turning Ahistorical

[Putin's Femboi BF]

So I am playing the United States and sitting on my North American island minding my own business. Germany declares war on Czechoslovakia in August 1938.

France and Great Britain get involved and WW2 is starting up in August 1938. Germany is hopelessly unprepared and I am taking Berlin by mid 1942.

The game was on historical settings. Has anyone experienced ahistorical events like this in their historical games?

[MeDaDaddy]

Yes.

"Historical" setting just means the % of a historical thing happenising is more likely, not that this is necessarily guaranteed.

Maybe we could ask for further settings to guarantee historical but then we as players may be forced to take the historical path too.....

[bubbas]

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[R0x0r]

I feel ya man and that is BS tbh, its an immersion killer for sure, what turned me down from playing this game. I am just waiting for them to finish patching the game rn and give it one last go. The vanilla version had much more historical accuracy but with each expansion they have managed to ♥♥♥♥ that up while breaking the game. There are some new options right before the start of a match to literally force every nation to follow their historical paths, but I havent given it a go to be able to tell if that is actually a thing or not. Right now btw the game is vrry broken, if you are expecting for the soviets to eventually push the germans back you are in for disappointment, since they actually do get their asses kicked more than often and they are supposedly working on a fix, tho I doubt they will care enough to actually fix it.....and that is just one example.

[Ogami]

"Historical" just means that the AI takes all the national focus that confirm to what that country did in reality. BUT, events are still random and stuff like the re militarization of the Rhineland or the crisis around Czechoslovakia can still spiral out of control just by RNG.

[Mr_Faorry]

Historical focus ai.
It means the ai will take the focuses meant to mimic what they did in real life as opposed to ones that they historically didn't. So it means Germany will go down the path of annexing Austria, invading Poland etc as opposed to deposing Hitler and reinstating the Kaiser. It doesn't mean the ai will do things exactly like they did in history.

[Alexander]

My most recent game was me as Germany with historical focus on. Japan became its own faction with "Greater co-prosperity sphere" despite signing a tripartite pact with me earlier on. Poland, Hungary, Romania and a couple of other countries joined the axis. Yeah, I boosted fascism in a couple of those countries, but not all. They just joined me mostly on their own so I had to defend Poland against the Soviet.

Italy for some reason was insanely strong and took down the Soviet mostly on his own with naval invasions. Stalin declared war on Japan's faction while in a losing war with us. Meanwhile the Allies ignored us Axis and attacked China (Japan's faction) so China became France.

I think the historical focus thing only really follows history when you, the player, also follow closely the historical actions of your country. If you deviate even a bit, there's a small chance things become very weird. Even if you don't deviate, as someone else mentioned, there's always a tiny chance things become non-historical regardless.

[Total Eclipse]

Originally posted by Alexander:

My most recent game was me as Germany with historical focus on. Japan became its own faction with "Greater co-prosperity sphere" despite signing a tripartite pact with me earlier on. Poland, Hungary, Romania and a couple of other countries joined the axis. Yeah, I boosted fascism in a couple of those countries, but not all. They just joined me mostly on their own so I had to defend Poland against the Soviet.

Italy for some reason was insanely strong and took down the Soviet mostly on his own with naval invasions. Stalin declared war on Japan's faction while in a losing war with us. Meanwhile the Allies ignored us Axis and attacked China (Japan's faction) so China became France.

I think the historical focus thing only really follows history when you, the player, also follow closely the historical actions of your country. If you deviate even a bit, there's a small chance things become very weird. Even if you don't deviate, as someone else mentioned, there's always a tiny chance things become non-historical regardless.

Stalin declaring war on Japan? I have never ever seen that outside of multiplayer (meme games).
Also Japan does Greater co-prosperity, I don't see the problem with that, because it means it likely won't join in against the Soviet Union.

[Crocophile]

Originally posted by Alexander:

My most recent game was me as Germany with historical focus on. Japan became its own faction with "Greater co-prosperity sphere" despite signing a tripartite pact with me earlier on. Poland, Hungary, Romania and a couple of other countries joined the axis. Yeah, I boosted fascism in a couple of those countries, but not all. They just joined me mostly on their own so I had to defend Poland against the Soviet.

Italy for some reason was insanely strong and took down the Soviet mostly on his own with naval invasions. Stalin declared war on Japan's faction while in a losing war with us. Meanwhile the Allies ignored us Axis and attacked China (Japan's faction) so China became France.

I think the historical focus thing only really follows history when you, the player, also follow closely the historical actions of your country. If you deviate even a bit, there's a small chance things become very weird. Even if you don't deviate, as someone else mentioned, there's always a tiny chance things become non-historical regardless.

Co-Prosperity Sphere is indeed historical, or at least, it's the game's representation of how the 'alliance' between Germany and Japan actually worked. It's also there so that victory in Europe can be resolved properly without interfering with Japan. Can't really speak for the rest of the stuff you mentioned, obviously.

[OuchThatHurt]

just played as Soviet Russia waited for winter of 1941/42 to end an rolled into Berlin because the Axis AI spent the whole winter trying to push my units depleting all it's man power.

It's funny as Hell when you can just roll over the Ai who has lost 7million men over a winter and you used 500k to hold a line then just hit attack and roll over everything. By summer the war was over ;)

When the Ai plays SR it always gets steam rolled by the Axis in every game I play giving the Axis a massive boost in resoruces

But yes i've had events that don't fit the Historic AI choices .... you can totally break the AI if you say stage Coupes in places they have in their focus trees ect.

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[Mack]

If you really really really really want the historical path, then use the new setting that lets you lock countries into them.

Or do what I do and just randomise everyone. lol.

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by Mr_Faorry:

Historical focus ai.
It means the ai will take the focuses meant to mimic what they did in real life as opposed to ones that they historically didn't.

This is wrong.

HOI 4 has always had like a 50/50 on some decisions. Czechoslavakia refusing and going to war, even Austria refusing and going to war has always been a chance even with historical focuses.

All historical does is make sure the major stick to their historical factions. The minors can be flipped.

Originally posted by mack:

If you really really really really want the historical path, then use the new setting that lets you lock countries into them.

That is what you pretty much ned to do now. Especially to keep UK where it belong because if it dissolves the empire all it does is make a mess.

[Mr_Faorry]

Originally posted by Bored Peon:

Originally posted by Mr_Faorry:

Historical focus ai.
It means the ai will take the focuses meant to mimic what they did in real life as opposed to ones that they historically didn't.

This is wrong.

HOI 4 has always had like a 50/50 on some decisions. Czechoslavakia refusing and going to war, even Austria refusing and going to war has always been a chance even with historical focuses.

All historical does is make sure the major stick to their historical factions. The minors can be flipped.

Refuse what?
Refuse to take a focus? Because that's a stupid way of saying it.

Everything I've ever seen has said historical ai focus makes the ai take the focuses that mimic what they did in real life. So why would I suddenly believe some random on the forums who claims the opposite and that all it does is keep factions together? Though I guess if that's the case and you're telling the truth Germany just has a severe allergy to deposing Hitler and it can't possibly be because you're lying and that historical ai focus prevents stuff like that happening.

[bubbas]

Historical AI focuses does two things only:

1. It makes certain nations pick their focus in a certain order.

2. In some rare cases it modifies what outcome some events have.

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by Mr_Faorry:

So why would I suddenly believe some random on the forums who claims the opposite and that all it does is keep factions together?

Do not believe me I really do not care. Simply because you are less than a random with your whole 75 hours played.

I did not say factions together, I said majors stick to their historical factions.

Originally posted by Mr_Faorry:

Originally posted by Bored Peon:

HOI 4 has always had like a 50/50 on some decisions. Czechoslavakia refusing and going to war, even Austria refusing and going to war has always been a chance even with historical focuses.

Refuse what?

The fact that you do not know what I am talking about with Austria and Czechs refuse and Germany goes to war shows your less than randomness status and lack of game knowledge.

The other simple truth, that information I posted is not just for you, it is to show other people that your info is not accurate.

Now the big question is, who do you think people are going to believe? The rude less than random player with 75 hours played, or the person with close to 1k hours played?

Sooner or later another veteran will back me on the fact that Germany can start wars early in historical mode when it involves Czechs, Austria, and Yugoslavia. Which I seriously doubt I will ever get an apology from the likes of you.