How do you stop allies from capturing the territory you're invading?

[Farflame]

This has always bugged me about Hoi4, especially as I play the game on a very slow speed (usually 1) and it I don't understand the rule and it often ends up screwing up my plans which have taken several days of play.

So for example, playing as Japan, I attack British Malaya for the huge resources. Siam are in my alliance, so I'm careful not to attack from Siam as I know that means they'll take the land. So I do a naval invasion instead (this in itself seems stupid, I can't use the land route because of this rule). But then Siam finds it's way into the war by using one of my other allies as a backdoor to join. So then it attacks from the north and takes the land and the entire peninsular, then refuses to hand it over. I can't declare war on them or anything as they're allies of my allies and we have a non-aggression pact etc.

So what's the rule? Is there some way to stop them from taking the territory?

[FitnessGuru]

Well it's not really claimed until the peace conference. During war, I believe, it's just temporary.

[Farflame]

Well since declaring war on Malaya instantly puts you at war with the allies, this means there won't be a conference until the entire war (and the game) is over, so they get possession of it. The only way I know of stopping it from happening is to ensure their troops aren't involved in the fighting, so it's only your troops pushing in. As Japan it's easy to avoid up to this point because you can get the two Manchurian allies to give you their troops and just absorb them into your own armies in which case they act as Japanese troops in terms of capturing (I think). But Siam becomes a separate ally and act independently. I need some way to keep them out of the war but they just use Mengkukou as an ally to force themselves in.

Plus I need to stop playing on Ironman so that I can save it after defeating China and then go back to a save. I'm going to have to start from scratch, after working out how to avoid this.

[Random]

Well like you tried not calling them in in the first place is a start, but like you stated some other ally called them in so that killed the usual strategy.

Generally if this occurs I would ask them to hand over the first territory they capture so that all future territories beyond that point become yours (as they push your border and not theirs). But that cant always be guaranteed as you need war participation and not too much existing occupation. You could try giving them useless territory that you have already occupied and then requesting the territory that is resource stacked, as this may make the AI try to balance the occupation equation to your benefit.

Still though, as japan, who was the ally that called them? and why were they in the war in the first place? generally as japan I annex my allies before I join the major world wars against allies or soviets.

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by Random:

Well like you tried not calling them in in the first place is a start, but like you stated some other ally called them in so that killed the usual strategy.

Now this is getting annoying. I think only the faction leader should be able to call allies.

It would also cut down the spam notifications of a dozen allies calling you to the same war, or doing it repeatedly. Like the other day I did a NAP with Russia and then of course right afterwards someone engages Russia. So every two weeks I would get spammed by every little dirtbag country in the faction to go to war.

I had a similar issue the other day. I was playing Gungan CC and I had just took Yunnan, then suddelny Japan pulls a fast justification so I did not spread myself to cover it. Well Germany then took it form Japan. So I was the owner, Germany (neutral) was the controller, and there was no way to gain control of it.

Did you try asking Siam to give up the territory? It usually works if your war score is high enough.

[Farflame]

I did ask them for the territory and they refused. I also considered asking for it as soon as they took the first few provinces, but they don't actually own it until they reach Singapore which is pretty much the last province taken.

It was Mankukou (or the other Manchurian ally) that brought Siam into the war. I guess I need to keep them out of the new war completely, since as Japan, you don't need your allies anyway. I've found that demanding all of their troops works and then I use divisions composed entirely of allied troops for various border/garrison jobs. They then seem to just give every new unit straight over to me. So I don't actually need them in any war.

I'm going to have to restart because I used Ironman. I'm not sure why I do that because I'm not going for achievements and if quirky stuff like this happens, you're stuck. I'll restart without Ironman and try to do it differently next time.

[JDouglasBarson]

I never use Siam. Not only do they take British Malaya but also parts of India. Siam never releases control and only has 4-6 poor divisions. Not worth it as an allied to Japan. Good luck to your restart.

[Včelí medvídek]

Well I may have different opinion on call to war because I found myself many times in sitaution where I was not able call ally to war (they would nto accept) but I was glad someone else from alliance did.

Other than that - you can still trade for those resources. Germany is on other side of world and there is usually no much trade options for Japan anyway,

[Farflame]

That's a good point actually, maybe I shouldn't even ally with them since they don't do anything useful. Or perhaps ally them later, after I've taken Malaya.

[bubbas]

You know that you can just ask for control of occupied territory, right?

[FitnessGuru]

You could cheat :)

[Vovin]

Originally posted by bubbas:

You know that you can just ask for control of occupied territory, right?

Your allies don't always accept your request for their occupied territories though, which has been mentioned several times.

I would guess that Siam probably has claims on Malaysia, which probably makes them want to keep it.

[Farflame]

Yeah exactly, I asked, they won't give it.

I was wondering if there's a cheat where I can just edit the map, since what happened didn't really make any sense. I'm fine with that. But I restarted anyway and this time I'm not even asking my allies into the war.

[Total Eclipse]

Simply disband your faction and fight only with your puppets, that way siam cannot enter or get that territory.

[Vovin]

Originally posted by Farflame:

Yeah exactly, I asked, they won't give it.

I was wondering if there's a cheat where I can just edit the map, since what happened didn't really make any sense. I'm fine with that. But I restarted anyway and this time I'm not even asking my allies into the war.

Dunno if that is gonna work either. I was playing as Italy earlier, trying to conquer my way through the Balkans and the ME. As soon as I declare war, despite intentionally ignoring my allies, somebody (USUALLY Hungary) calls everybody in anyway.

Best part is how it do the focus for claims in Yugoslavia, war with Allies breaks out, gives me the chance to attack Yugoslavia (which is guaranteed by UK)... and as soon as I take territory, it instantly becomes Independent Croatia! WTF

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by ak47sforeverybody:

Best part is how it do the focus for claims in Yugoslavia, war with Allies breaks out, gives me the chance to attack Yugoslavia (which is guaranteed by UK)... and as soon as I take territory, it instantly becomes Independent Croatia! WTF

1. Do not call in your allies, Doing so will bring in the peace conference and land distribution. At a conference the AI will always choose to puppet so if their score is higher, you lose.

2. Make sure you earn a war score, sitting there letting your allies do the work is going to give them more points.