New British focus tree...

[Talon]

I had a little play around with the new British tree last night, I was stunned at how bad it is

It's always been a chore turning Britain to Communism or Fascism, but seriously? Now it's a complete joke! If you haven't played it yet (or if you haven't bought MTG) let me explain how my two quick playthroughs went...

Fascism

After a couple of focuses, you'd expect to buy the Fascist dude. No. He's now only available after you turn Fascist. So what the hell's the point in that?

You turn Fascist by doing marches. Each march raises Fascism support, but lowers stability. Drop below 50% stability, it's an automatic civil war. Two marches later (on 80% stability) I was in a civil war and lost.

Communism

Same as above, no Communist dude. You do "decisions" which screw up your economy and give you 5% support each time.

It maxes out at 48% support until you go through focuses to lose all of your puppets and territories.

In 1938, France declared war on me(!), Germany invited me to the Axis and crushed them... so by the time I turned Communist I was in the Axis, France had fallen, and all that was left was mainland Britain!

The answer is, if you want to be anything other than Democratic DON'T play the new tree... but then you won't have all of the new navy features with the biggest navy on Earth!

What a completely stupid tree. I did make a quick video last night to show it in action but I'd really love to know if other players think it's a stupid as I do!

https://youtu.be/JgrxTB95_Xw

[Včelí medvídek]

You can actually get communism way before full Decolonization (be aware though that you have limtied time for it after as otherwise civil war trigger - so you need count and plan your focuses well)

I know that very well because I did Crush the dream achievement and did lot of tries for it. In time I noted tat I have often missed only <1% for 50% treshold. The key is "change of the course" (or soemthing like that) - very first focus you choose.

What it does it lower unaligned support for 365 days and equally the other parties support raise. And there is the trick - the raise is slower and slower the more the support the party already have - so in other words you want to keep communist support minimal for couple of first months (about 8 months) so it benefit fully from this focus (hence you need evade pickup any 5/10 % bonuses too early - at the end it save you at least one year from decolonization tree which is good thing.

In general I think these rebalances are good for major countries.

PS. You can also make decisions for lower other party support that would give you something extra for comm. as well - but those cost extra PP and ahve negative impact and are not exactly needed.

[PuttBlug]

I agree with you OP, haven't tried communism or democracy but it's certainly painful to follow the fascist path. Regarding the King's Party path though, you do lose all your puppets except British Malaya (level of integration does not count for some reason so don't bother) but it's far easier than the fascist path.

[Talon]

Or just disable MTG and relax ;)

[Ksenagos]

I love the new Brits focus tree. If you want to have an easy time playing fascist, pick a genuine fascist nation, the same goes for communist. Its a historical based game, and not a fantasy one. And being so close to reality, it represents how difficult and painfull it would be for a nation to change its ideology. If it was easy for every country to change it, they would lose their identity, and then the game would be a general RTS. I just love it the way it is.

[「SHAORUNE」]

Originally posted by Ksenagos:

I love the new Brits focus tree. If you want to have an easy time playing fascist, pick a genuine fascist nation, the same goes for communist. Its a historical based game, and not a fantasy one. And being so close to reality, it represents how difficult and painfull it would be for a nation to change its ideology. If it was easy for every country to change it, they would lose their identity, and then the game would be a general RTS. I just love it the way it is.

+1

[unfoundlime]

I found I could peacefully adopt Fascism with the Blackshirts by building enough stability between each March. The "Change the Course" idea does eat away a bit Fascist support when it gets higher. When this idea lapses, the gains from Marches won't drain away anymore.

Also, when trying to get your dominions back, careful about attacking the former British Raj, they can field quite a sizable army. They were so much tougher than France for me to deal with.

[Talon]

This game is historical? Are you actually joking or just high as a kite Ksenagos?

As far as I’m aware, there wasn’t really much of a chance of deposing Mussolini, deposing Hitler, or deposing Stalin!

What this game IS is “alternate history” giving you the ability to play the war as it was fought, or choosing a different path.

The problem with Britain now isn’t the ridiculous “beg the trade unions for 5%”, it’s the loss of all territory in the process.

“Ah!” I hear you scream into your crack pipe, “but Communist Britain would have let them go!”

Well, that’s wrong for two reasons.

1. Communism likes puppets. Look at Russia. They wouldn’t give freedom to everyone they rule.

2. Seeing as you’re still a Democratic country until you turn Communist, there’s absolutely no way a Democratic Britain would have given freedom to them, so the entire turning Communist tree is messed up in both historic and alternative historical ways!

The turning Fascist isn’t bad, difficult, but fine, but both trees now make the Demagogue and Revolionary are completely pointless

[PuttBlug]

Originally posted by Talon:

This game is historical? Are you actually joking or just high as a kite Ksenagos?

As far as I’m aware, there wasn’t really much of a chance of deposing Mussolini, deposing Hitler, or deposing Stalin!

What this game IS is “alternate history” giving you the ability to play the war as it was fought, or choosing a different path.

This game is both historical and alternate history as it gives the player the choice between those two.