Land Doctrines for every major

[FDX]

HOI4 forums seem kind of boring.

Title; with MP ready explanations.

[UR ESTROGEN DEALER]

I use Grand Battle Plan for everyone besides the US+Germany

usually switch to GBP with USSR after my industry gets better .. I'll even use GBP with Germany if I get myself into a bad situation where using expensive equipment doesn't help

why? the supply situation is just so horrendous everywhere on the map besides Europe and GBP really helps with that

[Popeye]

You can use any doctrine with every nation and every branch. You just have to change your playstyle to match the doctrine.

[andersrlarsen]

Originally posted by Oplindenfep:

You can use any doctrine with every nation and every branch. You just have to change your playstyle to match the doctrine.

correct.
however, i would never use grand battle plan or mass assault with the major powers, not even uk or soviet. superior firepower and mobile warfare are so much better, and i even shift to superior firepower when playing china.

[jackhickman999]

Originally posted by andersrlarsen:

Originally posted by Oplindenfep:

You can use any doctrine with every nation and every branch. You just have to change your playstyle to match the doctrine.

correct.
however, i would never use grand battle plan or mass assault with the major powers, not even uk or soviet. superior firepower and mobile warfare are so much better, and i even shift to superior firepower when playing china.

Grandbattle plan is very powerful on the defensive the planning bonuses, defense bonus and entrenchments bonuses are crazy which get better under the right generals maybe even more so than other doctrines.


Mass Assault is I pretty sure isnt as good as the others though it is better for defense than superior fire power and it gives more manpower.

[Strifeboy]

I personally only use sup fire, whats so special about mobile anyway?

[KriegerKR]

mass assault as china and sov because I love to spam out divisions and end up with a thousand by the end of the game

mobile warfare as germany for super tanks

grand battleplan as the allied majors, because they're all about them plans

and usually superior firepower as a minor unless the production is too bad for it. because minors don't have as much manpower and the artillery buffs are good

[LEON HEEEEEELP!@!!!111]

I main Nationalist China so I can only speak for them:

Depends really on your playstyle. I'd always recommend going Grand Battle Plan especially because it gives you crazy defensive bonuses which is what you want.

(You idealy only want the first focus of the Grand Battle Plan doctrine, then once you're on the offensive, blitz through the Mass Assault Doctrine until you reach what IMO is the single best thing in the world:

-0.4 Width
5% Rec. Population
and the nice 15% reinforce rate.

For MP China just hold the river with forts and go straight for Grand Battle Plan. Once on the offensive, if you have the industry, go for superior firepower. China can grow a massive industrial juggernaut in little time if you manage to unify the the warlords.

[chaotix14]

It all depends on what country you play and what your goals are. Mainland(non-fascist) European countries are generally the simplest to find the 'ideal' doctrine for because it's basically based on how much prep time you have(those are also the ones I'm most well versed with). If you have little time to build up your industry gbp with it's first three doctrines is likely your best choice, if you have more time and the ability to build up a war industry sf might be the way to go. For other countries it's often a little bit more vague as to what is the ideal option with regards to doctine.

Both grand battleplan and superior firepower are very effective defensive doctrines(which basically any non-axis country in mainland Europe will need), however if you can swallow the additional production costs sf adds a more flexible offensive with it's lower reliance on entrenchment and planning to hold the lines and advance.

With it's reliance on armor and mobile infantry mobile warfare works best in situations where you can stay on the offensive, not to mention it probably has the highest reliance on a solid war economy to work properly. That being said it offers something the other trees just don't do a strong unrelenting offensive potential.

Then there's the option for when you can afford to just throw manpower at your problems, including the problem of a lacking industry, mass assault is a great doctrine if you have a large front that needs to be manned, little infantry equipment and no time to fix either problem. The first doctrine helps solve both problems by allowing you to deploy your new divisions 10% faster and with 10% less equipment. They will fight pretty poorly, but at least you'll have something to cover those front lines for now. After that everything is basically focusses on fighting a in a bad situation and recovering from said bad situation. I'd advice, unless you've burned through so much manpower that you can't miss that 5% recruitable pop, that as soon as you've stabilized the situation you switch over to gbp or sf for better combat bonusses.

[Lollibast]

hum, you all write a lot about switching, but do you have the research time for that?

[glythe]

Originally posted by Lollibast:

hum, you all write a lot about switching, but do you have the research time for that?

You can switch major doctrines at the cost of 1 day of research.

[FDX]

Interesting, tho i opened this thread because forums were getting boring.

GBP is trash in this meta, MA even worse for majors

[UR ESTROGEN DEALER]

Originally posted by FDX:

Interesting, tho i opened this thread because forums were getting boring.

GBP is trash in this meta, MA even worse for majors

care to explain? I mean considering you have 1700 hours, people would like to hear what you have to say

[FDX]

Oh, amount of hours say nothing, i'm still pretty garbage at the game, atleast my opinion.

MA was always trash, really useable only by France & China.
GBP was, as of my understanding, nerfed.
Leaving only the MW and SF optimal.

Plus, GBP requires more of a static front, if you want to push, since you have to wait for your planning bonus. SF makes the front more fluent, which is more of my playstyle. Tho, that doesn't negate the fact that it is still trash (compared to before), beyond my personal opinion.

[PuttBlug]

Originally posted by FDX:

HOI4 forums seem kind of boring.

Title; with MP ready explanations.

For Germany only MW because you have the ability to expand so fast and easily that you'll have all the industry and resources you'll ever need for tanks, planes etc.

For the U.S. either MW or SF will do just fine, pick whatever you like better.

For the UK, France and Japan SF is always the best option on account of the fact that SF is objectively better than GBP and MA.

For the Soviet Union and China (if you consider China a major) either SF or MA will do. The only reason I personally like to pick MA for these countries is that they have massive recruitable populations and that 5% extra you get will ensure you'll never run out of men no matter your casualties.

[jackhickman999]

Originally posted by Strifeboy:

I personally only use sup fire, whats so special about mobile anyway?

Massive org
Speed
Breakthrough
can swap into the other branch to get manpower.

Obviously you have to use motorised and tanks for it to be good though.

Originally posted by FDX:

Oh, amount of hours say nothing, i'm still pretty garbage at the game, atleast my opinion.

MA was always trash, really useable only by France & China.
GBP was, as of my understanding, nerfed.
Leaving only the MW and SF optimal.

Plus, GBP requires more of a static front, if you want to push, since you have to wait for your planning bonus. SF makes the front more fluent, which is more of my playstyle. Tho, that doesn't negate the fact that it is still trash (compared to before), beyond my personal opinion.

Well you see that grandbattle plan has higher defence than superior firepower has in soft attack if you know what your doing.

So how you going to be move grandbattle plan units.

Also Superior has basic breakthrough which makes this even worse.

GBP isn't going to give a ♥♥♥♥ about you ubermensch soft attack it will only care about tanks and if you got air superiority with nice cas support.