Why is there no civilian casualties?

[Kvltist]

Why doesnt bombings/fights in urban areas cause civilian casualties and reduce the population? Like dropping a nuke on London and Manchester has no affect on Englands manpower and industrial capacity, they can just repair the damaged factories.

In the siege of Leningrad by the germans in the actual war. Over 1 million civilian people died from starvation artillery shelling etc. Thats like half the cities population.

How come only soldiers can die in this game? you cant reduce manpower or industrial capacity by fighting in cities or bombing. This was such a big part of the real war. At first the allies and axis mainly targeted military facilities but as things got more desperate both sides bombed eachothers cities and civilian populations.

My suggestion is a more dynamic provincial population. The population can be affected by enemy divisions bombing etc. And maybe even add a scorched earth option. Like irl the germans burned down and killed everything they could on the retreat on the eastern front. You dont think this affected the available manpower and inddustry to the soviets?

This game misses out on so many things that was a huge part of the war. Like sabotages and raids. The main reason Germany didnt invade Sweden is beacuse Germany was heavily reliant on Sweden for steel and tungsten. And Sweden said that if germany invades they will blow up the mines and fill them with water rendering them useless for a long time. I want more details like this in this game! It's a great game but its too streamlined. Adding more options and possibilites wont hurt.

[Kvltist]

Also why doesnt nuking/severely bombing make any nation any more likely to surrender? There is no suing for peace, everyone fights until the bitter end when roughly 85% of their provinces are captured.

[Strifeboy]

I feel the same way, nukes are useless if i can't atleast hurt their manpower.

[76561198051514398]

Because the game is not meant to be historically accurate, its meant to focus on the warfare of WW2.

I wish the game had Gulags, Concentration camps, Chemical weapons, Nukes wiping out cities, etc. But Paradox doesn't want to deal with any bad publicity or angry people.

[Strifeboy]

Автор сообщения: JohnTheGreat

Because the game is not meant to be historically accurate, its meant to focus on the warfare of WW2.

I wish the game had Gulags, Concentration camps, Chemical weapons, Nukes wiping out cities, etc. But Paradox doesn't want to deal with any bad publicity or angry people.

> bad publicity or angry people.

I think they are more then happy with dealing with that, have you seen their dlc policy.

[clock]

Yeah, I agree. They really should factor that in.

[Zippo]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/394360/discussions/0/154644045360241041/

[Kvltist]

Автор сообщения: JohnTheGreat

Because the game is not meant to be historically accurate, its meant to focus on the warfare of WW2.

I wish the game had Gulags, Concentration camps, Chemical weapons, Nukes wiping out cities, etc. But Paradox doesn't want to deal with any bad publicity or angry people.

I always thought it had the opposite effect? What this game is saying is basicly that war didnt cause any suffering for civilians, the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and only soldiers died in ww2.

[76561198192726397]

I completley agree with the OP and his sentiments %110 percent. Every single word he said is like something I would have written. The status of the game is so gamey you might as well put it on the iPhone app store.

Автор сообщения: JohnTheGreat

Paradox doesn't want to deal with any bad publicity or angry people.

Well isn't that a shame. What a piece of ♥♥♥♥ company. Let's make a game about the Nazis coming to power and pretend Jews, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and Slavs don't exist because it would offend people. Are people not adult enough to emotionally handle this ♥♥♥♥ even in their 30's and 40s'? Pathetic.

About as realistic as a Hollywood movie now except its a boring top down game made out of shapes.

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[buddy299]

Автор сообщения: Lokaka

Also why doesnt nuking/severely bombing make any nation any more likely to surrender? There is no suing for peace, everyone fights until the bitter end when roughly 85% of their provinces are captured.

This is why I liked in HoI3 enemies would capitulate when you took many of their major cities and stuff, in HoI4 (at least from what i've played so far) it's just fighting until they can't possibly fight any more

[buddy299]

Also maybe that feature will come in a $30 "DLC"

[Mikey]

Why?

A lot of countries have laws regulating what can and what can't be in a game.
So if they want to sell their product to people from those nations they need to adhere to local laws.
Germany is one of the stricter countries with that

@"we tortured some folks"
It has nothing to do with maturity. Steam caters to anyone from 13 up to the graveyard and any of those could potentially be playing this game hence talking about people in their 30's and 40's is fairly stupid to begin with.
This game isn't about the Nazis coming to power as it starts in 1936 and the Nazi rise to power started in 1923 with the Bierputsch, again fairly stupid thing to say.
This game does indeed pretend ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, jews and slavs don't exist. It also pretends germans, frenchmen, englishmen, spaniards, italians, poles, martians, americans and many others do not exist.
If you do not like the game don't play it. Noone is forcing you to.
If you do like the game concept but want to be able to slaughter and torture civilians just because you can then I am sure you can find something similar out there which caters to those sadistic tendencies just likely not on Steam.

[bubbas]

As Zippo already linked to but I'm guessing people won't care to look there and read I'll post it here so everyone knows why the thread will be locked and/or deleted:

* There will not be any gulags or deathcamps (including POW camps) to build in HoI4, nor will there be the ability to simulate the Holocaust or systematic purges, so I ask you not to discuss these topics as they are not related to this game. Thank you.

* The HoI4 forum is not the place to discuss current laws of various countries. So no discussions of German laws about symbols either.

* Strategic bombing in HoI4 will be abstracted and not allow you to terror bomb civilians specifically. Chemical weapons will also not be included in the game.

* There will not be any swastikas in the game. It IS illegal to show them in Germany and various other countries. Same goes for other Nazi symbols (e.g. related to the SS) or Nazi propaganda material, including songs etc. Any links posted to a mod which includes a Swastika or other illegal Nazi symbols in the Discussions will be deleted.

* Threads on military statistics that are non-game specific are not be started. Also, statistics will not be used as a backdoor to get around rules regarding slave labor, gulags, concentration camps, terror bombing of civilians/civilian casualties, and other forbidden topics.

Threads and posts in conflict with the above will be locked (or deleted). Depending on the situation further action might be taken.