Best Nations?

[Tricky Dick]

I feel a bit bored with the major nations.............. any reccomendations?

EDIT: you may give reccomendations to the other people who are commenting in the disscusion, Thank you!

[Socialist Tsar]

I always like to play as Argentina when I get bored of major nations. If you play Argentina with the RT56 mod it gets a custom focus tree. Argentina allows you to do war without getting involved in WWII. However, this is my opinion and you may think of something different to play as.

[Tricky Dick]

Originally posted by Socialist Tsar:

I always like to play as Argentina when I get bored of major nations. If you play Argentina with the RT56 mod it gets a custom focus tree. Argentina allows you to do war without getting involved in WWII. However, this is my opinion and you may think of something different to play as.

I do often like to make my own wars, and as in your argentina reccomendation I would Indeed try it, as I would not have to worry about the allies axis or comintern, thank you!

[Socialist Tsar]

No problem :D Every country in South America will stay neutral but the only thing is that America will guarantee them (USA is a pushover though). Have fun!

[Zsrai]

If you want to go warmongering in South America, make sure you leave Historical Focuses ON. Otherwise the USA AI tends to make a bee-line for Pax Americana and you get screwed. With Historical on, they don't usually take it until '42, which gives you a good chunk of time to take over everything. I recommend Brazil in Vanilla, since they have a lot of industry potential and a ton of manpower compared to everyone else in the area.

[PuttBlug]

Greece. It has tremendous potential for its starting size, good resources for producing artillery, good military leaders for the superior firepower doctrine (it has both infantry and artillery experts) and the ability to expand in most directions.

Whenever I play as Greece on vanilla as always, I get the fascist demagogue ASAP and conquer Yugoslavia, Bulgaria and Turkey at the same time without starting WW2. With a bit of luck you can do this.

[NotSoRetroJakko]

I find China to be quite fun, especially in RT56, looking forward to next months patch and DLC

[PuttBlug]

Originally posted by NotSoRetroJakko:

I find China to be quite fun, especially in RT56, looking forward to next months patch and DLC

China is going to be classified as a major soon. With that massive manpower pool and the new national focus tree it's gonna be OP if you manage to survive the initial Japanese assault.

Also Idk if you guys heard this but they are adding formable nations, Italy can become the Roman empire, the baltic countries can also unite in a baltic union, I believe Scandinavia can be formed as well as Byzantium by Greece. Formable countries also get claims AND cores.

[armzngunz]

Originally posted by total warrior:

Originally posted by NotSoRetroJakko:

I find China to be quite fun, especially in RT56, looking forward to next months patch and DLC

China is going to be classified as a major soon. With that massive manpower pool and the new national focus tree it's gonna be OP if you manage to survive the initial Japanese assault.

Also Idk if you guys heard this but they are adding formable nations, Italy can become the Roman empire, the baltic countries can also unite in a baltic union, I believe Scandinavia can be formed as well as Byzantium by Greece. Formable countries also get claims AND cores.

Meh, the formable nations thing sounds weird. For instance, Greece would never call itself "Byzantium" since that is a name invented by western historians. The people of "byzantium" considered themselves roman.

[PuttBlug]

Originally posted by armzngunz:

Originally posted by total warrior:

China is going to be classified as a major soon. With that massive manpower pool and the new national focus tree it's gonna be OP if you manage to survive the initial Japanese assault.

Also Idk if you guys heard this but they are adding formable nations, Italy can become the Roman empire, the baltic countries can also unite in a baltic union, I believe Scandinavia can be formed as well as Byzantium by Greece. Formable countries also get claims AND cores.

Meh, the formable nations thing sounds weird. For instance, Greece would never call itself "Byzantium" since that is a name invented by western historians. The people of "byzantium" considered themselves roman.

True the term was created by modern historians but people from the eastern Roman empire or Byzantium didn't consider themselves Romans or Latin in origin. They considered themselves "Romioi" in the Greek language that meant Roman citizen, not Roman, and it came to mean a Hellene (Greek) who believes in the Christian faith.

They didn't call themselves Hellenes because they had associated the term with paganism, it was almost derogatory at the time to be referred to as a Hellene even though they knew they were Hellenes by descent.

But yeah as far as formable nations go the developers realize many people wouldn't particularly like the idea so they clarified that in historical mode no AI controlled nation will ever choose alternate routs which could lead to forming a union or empire that didn't happen.

[armzngunz]

Originally posted by total warrior:

Originally posted by armzngunz:

Meh, the formable nations thing sounds weird. For instance, Greece would never call itself "Byzantium" since that is a name invented by western historians. The people of "byzantium" considered themselves roman.

True the term was created by modern historians but people from the eastern Roman empire or Byzantium didn't consider themselves Romans or Latin in origin. They considered themselves "Romioi" in the Greek language that meant Roman citizen, not Roman, and it came to mean a Hellene (Greek) who believes in the Christian faith.

They didn't call themselves Hellenes because they had associated the term with paganism, it was almost derogatory at the time to be referred to as a Hellene even though they knew they were Hellenes by descent.

But yeah as far as formable nations go the developers realize many people wouldn't particularly like the idea so they clarified that in historical mode no AI controlled nation will ever choose alternate routs which could lead to forming a union or empire that didn't happen.

They called themselves romans because they lived in the roman empire, that's all they knew. They were romans the same way everyone in the US call themselves american, even if they are mexican, native american or of british descent. Many of greek origin in Anatolia and istanbul still consider themselves roman.

[PuttBlug]

Originally posted by armzngunz:

Originally posted by total warrior:

True the term was created by modern historians but people from the eastern Roman empire or Byzantium didn't consider themselves Romans or Latin in origin. They considered themselves "Romioi" in the Greek language that meant Roman citizen, not Roman, and it came to mean a Hellene (Greek) who believes in the Christian faith.

They didn't call themselves Hellenes because they had associated the term with paganism, it was almost derogatory at the time to be referred to as a Hellene even though they knew they were Hellenes by descent.

But yeah as far as formable nations go the developers realize many people wouldn't particularly like the idea so they clarified that in historical mode no AI controlled nation will ever choose alternate routs which could lead to forming a union or empire that didn't happen.

They called themselves romans because they lived in the roman empire, that's all they knew. They were romans the same way everyone in the US call themselves american, even if they are mexican, native american or of british descent. Many of greek origin in Anatolia and istanbul still consider themselves roman.

If you aren't Greek you probably have no idea of what I just told you because of the connotation of the word "Roman" in medieval Byzantium.

What you just said is simply not true, it's historically proven that the Greek identity didn't cease to exist after the conquest of eastern Europe by the Romans. After the loss of Egypt and Syria to the Arabs Byzantium became Hellenic very quickly, even the official language of the state changed from Latin to Greek.

[sigbeqboibe]

turkey iran and tibet is quite fun

[Jason]

china is fun romania can be fun as well, if you have the dlc playing hungary and forming austria hungary is fun

[Tricky Dick]

Originally posted by total warrior:

Greece. It has tremendous potential for its starting size, good resources for producing artillery, good military leaders for the superior firepower doctrine (it has both infantry and artillery experts) and the ability to expand in most directions.

Whenever I play as Greece on vanilla as always, I get the fascist demagogue ASAP and conquer Yugoslavia, Bulgaria and Turkey at the same time without starting WW2. With a bit of luck you can do this.

The issue I have with this is that I LOVE playing yugoslavia, as I have the MAC yugoslavia mod, and that gives me DoD dlc focus tree. Thank you!

Originally posted by Jason:

china is fun romania can be fun as well, if you have the dlc playing hungary and forming austria hungary is fun

I would actually think it would be fun to remake Austria Hungary, and also proceed until the prussian empire, Thank you!

Also for the rest of the people who have such wonderful reccomendations, Sorry for not responding to them, I will indeed try them sometime. And if anyone has any more sugestions, please share them!

[soldier6661111]

Turkey. Restore the Ottoman Empire and then some. First move should be against Greece. Yugoslavia and Bulgaria after that. Then expand to the east into the Saudis and minor nations around.