How does the new Army Group system work and is there benefits to using no army groups?

[Jattack]

I don't completely understand the new concept of army groups, how are they used

[Zorlond]

- First, get some armies together. Five armies at most. Select the armies with shift-left-clicks.
- Right-click on the empty Army Group button to the left of the armies. That should create an Army Group and add the armies to it.
- You'll want to assign Generals to the Armies, and a Field Marshal to the Army Group. Works the same as Generals before.
- Now, give orders to the Army Group. Not the individual Armies, give them to your Field Marshal. Same Front Line/Offensive Line system as vanilla. One big Front and Offense for the whole group.
- He'll split the orders between the armies he commands. And when the plan is active during war time, all of the armies involved will march forward to take that Offensive Line.

As for benefits for not using the system... I dunno, did you like how Armies handled before this patch?

[Jattack]

Originally posted by Zorlond:

- First, get some armies together. Five armies at most. Select the armies with shift-left-clicks.
- Right-click on the empty Army Group button to the left of the armies. That should create an Army Group and add the armies to it.
- You'll want to assign Generals to the Armies, and a Field Marshal to the Army Group. Works the same as Generals before.
- Now, give orders to the Army Group. Not the individual Armies, give them to your Field Marshal. Same Front Line/Offensive Line system as vanilla. One big Front and Offense for the whole group.
- He'll split the orders between the armies he commands. And when the plan is active during war time, all of the armies involved will march forward to take that Offensive Line.

As for benefits for not using the system... I dunno, did you like how Armies handled before this patch?

Thank you! I appreciate the response
I worded the benefits part badly, i should have said, is there any downside in just using armys or does the army group add the field marshal's skills to the general's?

[Zorlond]

Field Marshals have access to special Traits the regular Generals don't. I particularly like Charismatic (+10% recovery speed). And yes, those Traits do filter down to the Divisions in the Group. You can 'buy' these Traits with the new command points. There's a tiny icon in the lower-left of the guy's picture when you have him selected (up on the left of the screen). Click that and you'll go to the Traits window.

A big downside for just using Armies would be, I would say, being stuck having to give Line orders to every single Army and micro-manage every time they end up overlapping. That won't happen with Army Groups.

[SirSanity]

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[Panzerlied]

Originally posted by Zorlond:

Field Marshals have access to special Traits the regular Generals don't. I particularly like Charismatic (+10% recovery speed). And yes, those Traits do filter down to the Divisions in the Group. You can 'buy' these Traits with the new command points. There's a tiny icon in the lower-left of the guy's picture when you have him selected (up on the left of the screen). Click that and you'll go to the Traits window.

A big downside for just using Armies would be, I would say, being stuck having to give Line orders to every single Army and micro-manage every time they end up overlapping. That won't happen with Army Groups.

Most of that must be a DLC only thing, because I don't see any special traits, etc. for Field Marshals, especially ones you can "buy".

[Zorlond]

Originally posted by MAD Ulfhedinn Panzerlied:

Most of that must be a DLC only thing, because I don't see any special traits, etc. for Field Marshals, especially ones you can "buy".

Does any of this look familiar?
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1326834640

If not, you're probably right about it being DLC-only.

[Panzerlied]

Originally posted by Zorlond:

Originally posted by MAD Ulfhedinn Panzerlied:

Most of that must be a DLC only thing, because I don't see any special traits, etc. for Field Marshals, especially ones you can "buy".

Does any of this look familiar?
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1326834640

If not, you're probably right about it being DLC-only.

Yeah, that's sadly DLC only.

[Sir Garnet]

I want the BP to work brilliantly and I am seeking specific means to make it work but ...

It seems like Paradox decided to make Arrmy Groups behave as arrmies - the primary level of control - and armies as effectively corps - components of a batttlefront taksed with a single operational function where the AI makes the implementation decisions once laumched. To perform more operational functions in the way the player wants, we need to have more and smaller armies.

Starting out with Italy for practice, I spent 3 frustrating hours cycling attempts to set up and carry out something like the old easy standard one army - two-front - multiple drive +d sweep orders invasion of Ethiopia from Eritrea and Somalia, but using the new tools. Note that British and French territory break the war into separate northern an d southern fronts,

The new system seems intended for frontal assaults on a long single continuous front (like WW1 or the Eastern front. Several times FM Graziani decideed to move the troops from the army in Erirtrea by sea to Somalia and join the line there, giving up Eritrea entirely. I'm sure he had reasons - but the AI doesn't explain its actions.

It seems like, and I am told in the posts, that an army can no longer enjoy the ability to have multiple segments that adjoining each other in line and with different orders (e..g., spearhead for some and maybe a broad follow-up for others. The segments have the urge to merge into one army and the Field Marshal decides what to do with them.

A trick was suggested - alternate segments of two different armies so each segment's troops have part of another army on each of their flanks, but that looks bad and takes more time and the segments can stil merge icontact.


Having a bunch of tiny single-purpose armies best suits a weak minor power that might not even have 24 armies or more than a couple comanders.

Thanks in advance for your consideration.

[Rattlesnake8]

Originally posted by Zorlond:

Originally posted by MAD Ulfhedinn Panzerlied:

Most of that must be a DLC only thing, because I don't see any special traits, etc. for Field Marshals, especially ones you can "buy".

Does any of this look familiar?
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1326834640

If not, you're probably right about it being DLC-only.

Wow.. so there is a lot more too it in the DLC. I don't have the dlc and first impressions I'm really preferring the old way of setting up fronts and launching assaults. It seems the dlc is necessary as you get extra traits for the field marshall which is a huge boost and might help some of those posting in other threads saying they are finding the game more difficult now. It's a shame they decided to mess with the game so much for those that don't have the dlc who just want to enjoy the game with some nice updates without having something put in the vanilla game that is more of a 'now you have to buy the dlc type deal.

I'm going to give the update more time, but at the moment I leaning towards reverting my game to the previous update and be able to continue my previous game the update broke.

[Orangehat44]

has anyone gotten this to work with non connected multiple fronts. like starting italy i made 2 armies one on north of ethiopia and one south of and put them in group but it didnt seem to space them out to 2 fronts it put both armies split on the norther front line, no divisions on the south

[Klutch]

Thanks for answering, I was a little confused how to word the question and got lucky this was on the first page.

So I can shift-left click multiple armies and right click on my field Marshall to create a bigger group

Edit: I still can't figure this out, If I right click on the field marshall he disbands?

Also, I am playing as Romania so I have front lines with USSR, Poland, Czech, Hungary, Yugo, Bulgaria .. But only my USSR front line is reinforcing?

[Klutch]

Originally posted by Katsuchiyo:

Thanks for answering, I was a little confused how to word the question and got lucky this was on the first page.

So I can shift-left click multiple armies and right click on my field Marshall to create a bigger group

Edit: I still can't figure this out, If I right click on the field marshall he disbands?

Also, I am playing as Romania so I have front lines with USSR, Poland, Czech, Hungary, Yugo, Bulgaria .. But only my USSR front line is reinforcing?

UPDATE: It works. I don't know why the guy disbanded the first time, I got it to work now. Also my units are reinforcing the other front lines, but only the units I assigned AFTER I created those fronts. Is there a way to refresh so units will shuffle?