Ship AA needs to be much stronger

[acur1231]

Ships of the period were often bristling with AA, and while planes were effective against ships, ships would also shoot many of them down. Especially tactical bombers with 2 engines. He 111s should drop like flies if they attack a large British fleet, as should the naval bombers(which all seem to be slow planes). The Stukas will have a slightly lower loss rate but still way above the 1 or 2 planes per airstrike they lose. An airstrike against the whole fleet would often lead to large aircraft losses, and so I suggest tweaking the ships AA to values to be much higher, and make tactical bombers, naval bombers and CAS planes more vulnerable to AA, which will force you to upgrade for more agile fighter bombers. After all, remember the Fairy Battles?

[EasyCompany]

I'm on your side. Dutch run and spammed destroyers with improved AA for the fight with Japan and I can't get a Zero down to save my life.

[DeepDorkFantasy]

I beviele DDs is just useless agains aircraft and didnt mentioned to do it.
Try light cruisers

[Revan1er]

Paradox need to rework completely the navy.
Building ships other than CV, BB and BC is completely useless.

[DeepDorkFantasy]

Originally posted by Revan1er:

Paradox need to rework completely the navy.
Building ships other than CV, BB and BC is completely useless.

cmon lightcruisers is good enough for cheap armadas of BCs.
Developing and producing any appropriate navy aircraft for CVs isnt actualy trivial task even for some major countries.

[Revan1er]

You just need 2 military industry for CV aircraft (1 for fighters and 1 for navy bomber)
And you just need 30 naval industry to produce enough CV and BC or BB to make an extremely powerful fleet in less than 2 years!

With germany I am able to build a fleet of 2CV + 8 BB before 1939 and it was enough to crush the british navy in the Channel...

The screen ship are useless and a waste of industry. Of course you can build a lot of them but in the long term it is way better to have less ship but more powerfull and more resistant.

[fakemon64]

Originally posted by EasyCompany:

I'm on your side. Dutch run and spammed destroyers with improved AA for the fight with Japan and I can't get a Zero down to save my life.

i wouldnt depend on destroyers for aa. i think the cruisers are stronger in that field.

[DeepDorkFantasy]

Originally posted by Revan1er:

You just need 2 military industry for CV aircraft (1 for fighters and 1 for navy bomber)
And you just need 30 naval industry to produce enough CV and BC or BB to make an extremely powerful fleet in less than 2 years!

With germany I am able to build a fleet of 2CV + 8 BB before 1939 and it was enough to crush the british navy in the Channel...

The screen ship are useless and a waste of industry. Of course you can build a lot of them but in the long term it is way better to have less ship but more powerfull and more resistant.

wonder how good your 2 outdated CV's works there, since there is usual a thousands of fighters doing their casual business or painting red the air superiority zone, and how you gonna replenish your planes with 2 Mils when their stockpile gonna zero after the first two encounters.
BB's are strong enough, but people usually overestimating CV's, especially in regions with nonstoping rains or even storms.

[Revan1er]

Two CV of 1936... not so outdated!
Channel: covered with 1000 fighters + 1000 naval bombers from Calais

Middle of sea? They are plenty enough.

If you are enough dumb to believe the cv are enough when you are close to enemy coast, that is your problem.

Navy is NOT balance, period! Screens ship are definitively not worth their cost! They are easy to sink and do not deal enough damage to capital ship. They are useful only to destroy the convoy...

I suggest you to take a look on this video (I am not the author):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB3BekaAaO4

[DeepDorkFantasy]

Originally posted by Revan1er:

Two CV of 1936... not so outdated!
Channel: covered with 1000 fighters + 1000 naval bombers from Calais

Middle of sea? They are plenty enough.

If you are enough dumb to believe the cv are enough when you are close to enemy coast, that is your problem.

Navy is NOT balance, period! Screens ship are definitively not worth their cost! They are easy to sink and do not deal enough damage to capital ship. They are useful only to destroy the convoy...

I suggest you to take a look on this video (I am not the author):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB3BekaAaO4

1000 naval bombers + 1000 fighters is already something above '1 mil for fighter 1 mil for naval', dont you think

[Revan1er]

Again, the number of mil invested in classic air support is not the point of our argument. We were talking about how useless were screen ship and torpedo fleet... You argued with me about the huge number of plane in the channel and I answered with: you need to help your fleet with air superiority. Nothing more, nothing less.

Now, outside this really specific location, my fleet completely crush any enemy fleet (controlled by the AI, humans are different and you need to be extremely careful) Like the video said: your only way to win or match the enemy fleet is to build only BB and CV. You can try what you want the result will be the same. Your loses will be too high if you add screen and torpedo ship. They are not worth the investment and by not using them you will not have to make the research for the new models and use this gain to research something more useful (like more advanced plane, doctrine,...).

And again, you do not start the production of CV's fighters and bombers at the end but very early!
I always start before the end of 1937 and have around 200-300 of each (depending on when I started the production, the difficulty settings...)