finland wont join the axis...

[chark]

playing as germany 1942. i have tried to improve relations with finland like 10 times and it still doesnt want to join.

[sausages]

Usually, the "base reluctance" would stop most nation from joinning you; especially the -10 from "player in a war" stats.

[chaosguy]

Axis had this problem irl...

[chark]

Originally posted by chaosguy:

Axis had this problem irl...

not at all.

[chaosguy]

Originally posted by Señor Hilter:

Originally posted by chaosguy:

Axis had this problem irl...

not at all.

Google 'the winter war' and 'the continuation war' son. The Finns were fighting the Russians at the same time, but pointedly would not join the Axis. The Germans were begging them to do so and to help them finish off Leningrad, which the Finns refused. Their beef was the Russians being jerks to them before WW2 offically started and stealing some of their territory. The British were actually considering helping the Finns against Russia before Hitler started making his moves.
So, both your problem and your lack of understanding on how historical it is, are pretty funny.

[chark]

I'm sorry, i know all about this ♥♥♥♥. I'm finnish and i find this hilarious. Finland was apart of the axis and joined in 1941 after hitler had a meeting with mannerheim near imatra. we were told all this ♥♥♥♥ in school since we were 10 :) so keep talking. finns made a lot of advancements in the karelian isthmus. they dug themselves near leningrad and Onego. Also Nazis were fighting in northern finland but with little success.

[chark]

Britain sent volunteers to finland in late 1939 but the volunteers never reached the frontlines.

[chark]

But finland wasn't apart of the axis during the winter war nor was it apart of the allies. just called an armistice and peace.

[chark]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_powers#/media/File:Map_of_participants_in_World_War_II.png
keep talking :)

[chark]

also after they again surrendered to the soviet union in the fall of 1944 the soviets demanded that finland must throw nazis out of lappi (northern finland) and that they could not use their existing troops :)

[chark]

yea gtfo ♥♥♥♥♥ :)

[chaosguy]

Lol, you didn't learn much in school then:
https://www.google.com/search?q=was+finland+axis&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS746US746&oq=was+finland+axis&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2.5889j1j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

"Finland was never a member of the Axis powers as it never signed the Tripartite Pact, but was aided in its military assault on the Soviet Union by Germany from the beginning of Operation Barbarossa in 1941, and in its defence against Soviet attacks in 1944 prior to the separate peace with the Soviet Union in 1944."

Also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gustaf_Emil_Mannerheim
"There is an unsubstantiated story that during his meeting with Hitler, Mannerheim lit a cigar. Mannerheim supposed that Hitler would ask Finland for help against the Soviet Union, which Mannerheim was unwilling to give. When Mannerheim lit up, all in attendance gasped, for Hitler's aversion to smoking was well known. Yet Hitler continued the conversation calmly, with no comment. In this way, Mannerheim could judge if Hitler was speaking from a position of strength or weakness. He was able to refuse Hitler, knowing that Hitler was in a weak position, and could not dictate to him."
So, if you really are Finnish, you should be more proud of your heritage, since Mannerheim obvioudsly had some guts.

It would've been 'interesting' if they had decided to join the Axis and help the Germans at Leningrad though, as this would've freed up a whole German army to move on Moscow. Who knows what that would or would not have changed.

Education aside, and to your actual game question- if you're only using 'improve relations' you might also want to use 'influence' so they have a majority fascist government before you ask them to join.

[Zaippo]

Being a Finn doesn't mean you know your history.
1) Finland was not part of the Axis, but a co-belligrent to the Axis (fighting together against a common enemy but not part of them). Never signed the Tripartite Pact, but it did sign the seperate Anti-Comintern Pact.
2) Finnish Defence Forces were never part of the German High Command, unlike other European Axis armies on the Eastern Front.
3) Finland has never in it's history surrendered. Peace deals in 1940/44 were armistices signed by BOTH sides and ratified by Paris Peace Accords in 1947.
4) Hitler and Mannerheim met on 4th of June 1942, not 1941.

Takas koulun penkille siitä.

You game's Finland might have Neutrality focus and the World Tension might be so low that it's impossible to get them join your faction. Just support them with Lend-Lease and maybe ask for transit rights if you're at war. If Finland is at peace then it's hard to get it on the Axis.

[chark]

1. if that guy (chaosguy) read his stuff from wikipedia then idk what the ♥♥♥♥ is going on with wikipedia if it also states that finland was apart of the axis (atleast by the map) 2. So what? Were US troops under British high command when the US was apart of the allies. 3. well woo woo i got that one tiny thing wrong. sanottiin että antaudu niin vittu olkoot sitte aselepo. 4. Didnt remember the day 2bad

[chaosguy]

Since you want to dig yourself deeper kid-- yes, in fact, at the start of the war, espeically in North Africa, US troops were under British command. (Patton hated this). It wasn't until Normandy that the US took over high command.

ps. Could it be that your map is wrong...? Nah, it must be everything else ever written in history.

[chark]

ps. Could it be that your map is wrong...? Nah, it must be everything else ever written in history. [/quote]
What i meant was that it is weird how wikipedia says in the map that finland is apart of the axis but then on the tripartite article it says its not apart of it.