Does AI cheat?

[KEKMaster3000]

is it true? does the ai cheat?

[Wz]

yes

[RalphRoberts]

It cheats in many ways. One easy example is that they know how much inventory (guns, tanks, etc.) you have. Another is that they can always do naval invasions regardless of straits or naval superiority.

Unfortunately, the easiest way to make an AI challenging to humans in a game this complex is to make it cheat.

[GoldenTalon]

Yes and worse even with cheating it's still terrible

[KEKMaster3000]

do they also have instant troop deploying or instantconstruction?

[spike2071]

I've never seen the AI bypass an enemy controlled strait. I read it was a bug awhile back, but it was supposed to be fixed. Once I close the Med, no more invasions. Same with the Baltic sea, but to be honest I don't even see naval invasions before closing it. I can't speak for other areas as I tend to play in Europe.

The only time I've seen the AI get magic units is at the outbreak of civil war. I've seen the AI "cheat" when it suddenly spawns new units, but if I tag switch to them I see it built 1 or 2 brigade divisions en masse, who are untrained and usually underequipped (which explains why they were built so fast).

I know Paradox explicitly said the AI doesn't cheat, but that was shortly before the game was released. I don't know of any statements since then. I also don't own Waking the Tiger, so I can't speak to anything that DLC may have introduced.

[Not online!!!]

Originally posted by Sir Knight RalphRoberts:

It cheats in many ways. One easy example is that they know how much inventory (guns, tanks, etc.) you have. Another is that they can always do naval invasions regardless of straits or naval superiority.

Unfortunately, the easiest way to make an AI challenging to humans in a game this complex is to make it cheat.

Invasions through straits were a bug. As for inventory, you know your troops show a strenght ratio, it is fairly easy to assume what is the problem, and yes you can do that too.
The green bar shows Organization. the orange one strenght (equippment, manpower).

However the AI , atleast in my opinion, seems to get priority regarding trading with other AI countries, that beeing said the traderelationpart needs in my opinion an overhaul.

[Mack]

AI can't get through straits, but it can get through naval superority.

[firestar587]

Originally posted by mack:

AI can't get through straits, but it can get through naval superority.

and air superity i had 69% in english channel and benelux and they somehow landed paratroopers there this pertty much ended that run as they were able to take a port (i was already at war with USSR spain had joined the USSRs side and italy got invaded that made it a 6 front war which would have just been a near inf stalemate)

[firestar587]

Originally posted by DanRage47/Kha'Shira:

Yeah the AI cheating has increased exponentially per expansion, it feels like Paradox just wants to torture people now.
Sometimes when I have like 2M manpower in the field, the AI counters to have at least twice as much, and it's manpower pool NEVER DECREASES, *EVER!*
Paradox clearly doesn't care even if we don't pay them anything, they just break things anyway.
SO, since the AI always cheats in every way possible - as I write this, I am Germany, and in a permanent deficit in planes, UK has 16k now - in mid-40. And I had 4k last year and they 1k. USA had less than 1k. Now both are just vomiting planes everywhere.
So I am going to cheat right back - IN IRONMAN MODE.
If the game inherently cheats against you, cheating right back actually isn't cheating in any manner - it's leveling the playing field.
Heck you, Paradox. But at least hey, your name makes sense. YOU BREAK EVERYTHING!

the AI doesn't cheat in terms of production or manpower
the AI can not beat a good player
at all
if been able to steam roll germany as the soviets, france. the UK and the USA without breaking a sweat

and the AI can very much lose manpower

the AI def doesn't spawn 15k planes out of thin air plus in mid 1940 you as GERMANY only had 4k planes? you are def doing something wrong if you can't manage to out produce the AI as germany

the AI does not cheat in anyway in terms of production or manpower.. also the soviets and the USA have massive manpower pools in the hands of a player or AI ofc you are out numbered by nations KNOWN FOR HAVING HIGH MANPOWER its like complaining about a communist china that controls all of china having a ton of manpower

edit: i seem to have made a post here saying the AI has cheats which is not true as the AI can't even paradrop much less cheat to get it so you can safely ignore that post

[|H|H| Fr3ddi3]

The fact that person went and found a 2 year old thread to post in pretty much points to them wanting vindication, not an explanation.

You'll only get drawn into a pointless argument posting that.

[Mikey]

Does the AI cheat? Yes, yes it does. It is omnicient and does not have hard limits like a player does, instead it has soft limits.
It will at most times act as though it has the same limits as a player however it can chose to ignore that directive under some circumstances so that the player cannot exploit it as easily.

However when it comes to construction, research and training times the AI has the exact same limits as the player

Originally posted by |H|H| Fr3ddi3:

The fact that person went and found a 2 year old thread to post in pretty much points to them wanting vindication, not an explanation.

You'll only get drawn into a pointless argument posting that.

It's the new fad Freddie. Scour google to find that one thing that confirms exactly what you think is going on, ignoring the 10 other things that unequivocally state you are wrong, and then declare victory.

[Kaisha]

One thing to consider, the game is so buggy that its hard to tell if the AI is explicitly cheating, or if its just a bug.

[S2]

I have never played any strategy game that had a competent AI (meaning a challenge for a human after the first 2 or 3 games) without cheating.

Achieving this would be so timecomsuming and expensive i can understand they dont do it (model game aspects as complex system and train it with neural networks/genetic algorithms by letting it play against human pros and/or millions of random AI only matches, or how would you do it?).

This is the reason why i play HOI4 with expert AI-hard-Challenging. This is imo the best tradeoff. I cant bring myself to play vanilla hard with that artifical 50% research malus or what is it.

But especially in HOI4 id go as far as to say that they would have to code several competent AI as you cant use one for every country (and DLC, and starting date, not to mention different "personalities").


But that said, i would gladly pay 30€ for an AI-only DLC delivering the above mentioned.

[rabban192]

The newest cheat is that the AI uses the network to request help from the Paradox servers on how to cheat and not get caught.

I want my money back for a game that cost me $300 I would expect it not to cheat.

[rabban192]

I've tested this over and over again by playing the same dates with the network on and the network off. Every time the network is on the units become stronger than when the network is off. What a bunch of garbage code. Network traces also show that the game is calling home, but the packets are not sufficient to be anything other than cheat insertions.