Is the Spanish Civil War pointless?

[Miles Conagher]

So when playing as Germany, you have the option to send volunteers to Nationalist Spain from the start. This is what most historic Germany players do. But I have found it to be a massive waste of fuel and precious tanks that simply is not worth the reward of changing the ruling party of a historically neutral (and weak) country.

[hengepupper]

if the communists are in power they will join the comintern lateron and join the war against you so it is within your strategic interests as germany to make sure franco wins

[FDX]

The amount of XP you get is vastly more important than the fuel / light tanks you'll lose.

[GoldenTalon]

Yeah pretty much. It's gives Axis something to do while waiting to attack Poland and you get some XP.

[Ryan]

It is a must to get involved in the Spanish Civil War if you can. Farming Army XP is so useful for your army you are training. It enables you to massively improve your divisions instead of just the basic infantry.

[Federal Bomb Inspector]

Франко может пригодиться в будущем, он начинает с 57 дивизий в гражданской войне.

[Dr Duh]

Originally posted by Ryan:

It is a must to get involved in the Spanish Civil War if you can. Farming Army XP is so useful for your army you are training. It enables you to massively improve your divisions instead of just the basic infantry.

Send air volunteers also for air xp. If you send armor, micro it to avoid attacking into mountains - attrition from that is far worse than any combat losses you might have.

[Deathbringer]

Spain after the civil war will send volunteers and equipment in the game. They also will join a faction late in the game . Who they help depend who won the civil war. If Nationlist spain wins you see spain army fighting with England in africa against italy and see them in Russia fighting germany. Also when Natinalist spain join the allies late in the game and allies havnt been able to D Day germany now they have a huge place to land and ram france hard

[Sword_of_Light]

It's not absolutely necessary, but it is useful. I've sent volunteers as Germany and as the Soviets, and it gives me, if for nothing else, xp to spend on divisional composition. The difference between an infantry unit with and without say, an engineering battalion, is often the difference between winning and loosing a defensive battle.

And getting Spain on one side or the other does mean less headaches down the line - the UK usually looses Gibraltar if Spain goes Axis. Again, not absolutely necessary - my current game as Germany they're fighting for the Allies because the Republican forces won (the Allies at this point being a Communist faction) but it just means the British have a few hundred more fighters (which kept my nukes at bay for a limited time before I regained air superiority) and I had to sink a few more ships. Not nothing, but not huge, either.

Now, its not perfect - I'd like to be able to send air volunteers - which happened in the real world. And sometimes it isnt worth my time - I had a two division limit this game, and thought, why bother? Not sure the volunteer limit doesnt need tweaking. But, overall, its still a decent mechanism for levelling up your early game military.

[donalddawkins]

you see the importance of the spanish civil war in Multiplayer.

It's effectively a way to train your unit and gain military and air exp. This can then be used to upgrade your divisions and your armor variants. It can also be used to upgrade your aircrafts engines and firepower with air exp.

This means that when the world war starts, your tank and air variants, although potentially being the same tech level as the allies, will be significantly better due to the upgraded variants.

I have played MP games where the germans have grinded spain until 1939 and then rolled into france with tanks with armor values of 88, practically unkillable without dedicated anti tank divisions and players who have grinded late tier anti tank tech.

this has gotten so bad, that now many hosts put a time limit on the spanish civil war, forcing the axis to end the war before a certain date and thus stop the grind.

[LukeTheSp00k]

If the Republicans win, they will join the Comintern when you attack the USSR, and their infantry spam combined with the mountainous terrain makes them a genuine pain in the ass. Also, if the war is still going when France falls, they will join the Comintern and if you then help Franco against them you'll be at war with the USSR in 1940 when you may not be totally ready.

It's not so much about what you get out of Franco, but about making defeating the Soviets easier.

[ChadSimpKing]

i tried to help the spaniards once i sent them 2 pz divisions lead by rommel, i was doing encircelments like crazy then they got cut off and the stupid spanish infantry didnt move to help, i was soo pissed i literally invaded them after 1940

[OuchThatHurt]

Just play Fascist France who needs spains help when you can puppet or just take their lands

[Pyro]

Send infantry, then.

[GoldenTalon]

Originally posted by Rothschild:

i tried to help the spaniards once i sent them 2 pz divisions lead by rommel, i was doing encircelments like crazy then they got cut off and the stupid spanish infantry didnt move to help, i was soo pissed i literally invaded them after 1940

Yeah the AI is pretty dumb. Always control your own supply lines as AI will leave you high and dry.

[Anioda]

Originally posted by Dr Duh:

Originally posted by Ryan:

It is a must to get involved in the Spanish Civil War if you can. Farming Army XP is so useful for your army you are training. It enables you to massively improve your divisions instead of just the basic infantry.

Send air volunteers also for air xp. If you send armor, micro it to avoid attacking into mountains - attrition from that is far worse than any combat losses you might have.

Haven't gotten a single piece of air force XP. Send 50 old fighters, 50 old bombers & 15 Stukas...