Do allies win anymore?

[realGoofyGoober]

I've recently started playing the game after a year without touching it and I'm starting to get annoyed because I haven't seen one allied win this entire time. They just have never done a successful naval invasion and the soviets get completely dominated by the germans.

[Collock]

Yay massive navel invasions are screwed up. When battles go on for days. The unit limit kills.

[Pig Destroyer]

Yeah, UK ends up having 1m causualties before 1942, Same with the US if they ever join the war. Soviets ALWAYS lose on my games, even if I'm playing a country where I have nothing to do with Europe, AKA china, Siam, Or any south American country. Germans always get over 1k divisions by 1944.

[glythe]

They reworked the game so that you basically have to take steps to make the Allies win.

[|H|H| Fr3ddi3]

No they don't ... but neither do the Axis or Co-Sphere.

The war just enters stalemate.

The Allies stall out trying to get into mainland Europe, Russia falls cause it's fighting the Axis alone, eventually the Axis will land in and take the UK thanks to Russian industry backing them up .... but the Axis face the same issues tackling America / Canada as the Allies face with mainland Europe. They just can't get across the ocean.

The only actual winners / losers are as follows.

- Russia will lose 100% of the time, they need Allied help.

- China can lose, but it is able to beat Japan all on it's own as well ... Typically Japan wins OR it enters stalemate till the Allies get drawn in.

- Japan subsequently loses to the Allies later or it dominates the Pacific ... it never beats the US though so they only draw or lose overall.

Direct human intervention is required to actually get a winner. Previously the game was won without the player doing anything ... I prefer it like this cause it forces you to do the hard work, but it does make playing minor powers a chore / playing as Germany boring due to a lack of opposition which can put up a fight.

[Jaboleon]

This game was fine until MTGs, something happened during this expansion that just messed the whole game up.

[D3st]

Originally posted by glythe:

They reworked the game so that you basically have to take steps to make the Allies win.

i was playing usa iron man game and dude....first i killed japan at the start of 1942 and its was really easy as usual.After that i went for german.I gave 90% of my prod to soviet.89 weapon factory over 90 fighter factory ect...artillery-support-truck-med tank-CAS.I was sending over a millions material to soviet per month and when i start doing it german had barely push into soviet.For some reason at the start of 1943,soviet even if they had over 153 factory was out of equipement even with all the stuff i gave them.So i decided to open a front in italy.Land there,make italy capitulate.around 200 div less for axis maybe 50 to 90 less on soviet front.Right now my troops are on the border of germany.I control the sky.Have around 3k cas there and im strat bombing with 3k bomber berlin.....guess what.Somehow german was able to bring about 200 division to face my 190 division there and they still pushing soviet front with no tomorow even with all the mats im giving them.SOOO.Rush to make 70 more div bring them to england...Ive land around calais.i was able to grab a good chuck of territory before german bring an other 150 div facing my troops......now ive to bring all my troops in the pacific there before they start pushing me and german took moscow and lenigrade.German right now is unstopable.Ive 15 div of tank 40witdh with lastest sherman design with tank 4 armor and +3 attack with some other good stuff that usualy OP against AI but they have soo many division per tile that my tank are useless.btw british in this game is the new usa....they are doing nothing lol.They have about 10k plane and i dont see them anywhere.

[Nyjene]

Originally posted by D3st:

Originally posted by glythe:

They reworked the game so that you basically have to take steps to make the Allies win.

i was playing usa iron man game and dude....first i killed japan at the start of 1942 and its was really easy as usual.After that i went for german.I gave 90% of my prod to soviet.89 weapon factory over 90 fighter factory ect...artillery-support-truck-med tank-CAS.I was sending over a millions material to soviet per month and when i start doing it german had barely push into soviet.For some reason at the start of 1943,soviet even if they had over 153 factory was out of equipement even with all the stuff i gave them.So i decided to open a front in italy.Land there,make italy capitulate.around 200 div less for axis maybe 50 to 90 less on soviet front.Right now my troops are on the border of germany.I control the sky.Have around 3k cas there and im strat bombing with 3k bomber berlin.....guess what.Somehow german was able to bring about 200 division to face my 190 division there and they still pushing soviet front with no tomorow even with all the mats im giving them.SOOO.Rush to make 70 more div bring them to england...Ive land around calais.i was able to grab a good chuck of territory before german bring an other 150 div facing my troops......now ive to bring all my troops in the pacific there before they start pushing me and german took moscow and lenigrade.German right now is unstopable.Ive 15 div of tank 40witdh with lastest sherman design with tank 4 armor and +3 attack with some other good stuff that usualy OP against AI but they have soo many division per tile that my tank are useless.btw british in this game is the new usa....they are doing nothing lol.They have about 10k plane and i dont see them anywhere.

Yeah that's also my problem. Playing Axis is kind of boring, because as soon as I join them or plan from start to be fascist, I know the game is win and I can afk if I want. So I'm quite not sure about saying it's perfect like that, as you contrary to before you know it's not automatically win. As a minor player, I know if I join democracy/comunism it's dead, if I join fascism it's an auto-win. So... Nothing change.
Trying to play against is also boring somehow. German is just unlimited in resources. Whatever you do as a minor, they win. Yesterday I opened a new front as India, thinking it would at least cripple a bit Germany, but both they and Italy immediatly replicated with +50 divisions. And of course they're stil gaining ground on the soviet front. I haven't play before MTG, but currently I have more the feeling to play a WW1 simulator rather than WW2. There is a lot of stalemate once the early script are gone (France, China). It's possible as a major to win against Germany, but I don't consider it to be a challenge, you only do because of how "stupid" the AI is, because in terms of resources they feel unlimited. I have the impression against them to play a game of Total War where I put max difficulty and consequently my opponents are bloated, but still as exploitable as before, and so it just turn to be a chore.

[D3st]

Originally posted by Nyjene:

Originally posted by D3st:

i was playing usa iron man game and dude....first i killed japan at the start of 1942 and its was really easy as usual.After that i went for german.I gave 90% of my prod to soviet.89 weapon factory over 90 fighter factory ect...artillery-support-truck-med tank-CAS.I was sending over a millions material to soviet per month and when i start doing it german had barely push into soviet.For some reason at the start of 1943,soviet even if they had over 153 factory was out of equipement even with all the stuff i gave them.So i decided to open a front in italy.Land there,make italy capitulate.around 200 div less for axis maybe 50 to 90 less on soviet front.Right now my troops are on the border of germany.I control the sky.Have around 3k cas there and im strat bombing with 3k bomber berlin.....guess what.Somehow german was able to bring about 200 division to face my 190 division there and they still pushing soviet front with no tomorow even with all the mats im giving them.SOOO.Rush to make 70 more div bring them to england...Ive land around calais.i was able to grab a good chuck of territory before german bring an other 150 div facing my troops......now ive to bring all my troops in the pacific there before they start pushing me and german took moscow and lenigrade.German right now is unstopable.Ive 15 div of tank 40witdh with lastest sherman design with tank 4 armor and +3 attack with some other good stuff that usualy OP against AI but they have soo many division per tile that my tank are useless.btw british in this game is the new usa....they are doing nothing lol.They have about 10k plane and i dont see them anywhere.

Yeah that's also my problem. Playing Axis is kind of boring, because as soon as I join them or plan from start to be fascist, I know the game is win and I can afk if I want. So I'm quite not sure about saying it's perfect like that, as you contrary to before you know it's not automatically win. As a minor player, I know if I join democracy/comunism it's dead, if I join fascism it's an auto-win. So... Nothing change.
Trying to play against is also boring somehow. German is just unlimited in resources. Whatever you do as a minor, they win. Yesterday I opened a new front as India, thinking it would at least cripple a bit Germany, but both they and Italy immediatly replicated with +50 divisions. And of course they're stil gaining ground on the soviet front. I haven't play before MTG, but currently I have more the feeling to play a WW1 simulator rather than WW2. There is a lot of stalemate once the early script are gone (France, China). It's possible as a major to win against Germany, but I don't consider it to be a challenge, you only do because of how "stupid" the AI is, because in terms of resources they feel unlimited. I have the impression against them to play a game of Total War where I put max difficulty and consequently my opponents are bloated, but still as exploitable as before, and so it just turn to be a chore.

The only way ive beat german since MTG in ironman was with russia and france.Both tactic was build fort asap along the front line so they dont push on me and once i got my war machine read and my division setup i could push them.Its harder with france since your low on manpower.Find it easier with russia.You still have to dedicate around 90 or 100 factory to fighter or cas only to be sure to have air since allies keep thier plane on they territory.

[Antz]

The allies is not supposed to win the game without help from the Soviet Union. The reason Germany lost was due to the fact that Britain had not surrendered and that the U.S joined the war. This forced Germany to withhold a large amount of troops and instead of placing them towards the USSR, they stood guard against naval invasions in the west.

In my games, Germany almost always loses if it is at war with both the Comintern and the Allies.

[buddy299]

Since 1.6 I've only ever seen the Axis slightly struggle.

[Exarch_Alpha]

Originally posted by D3st:

The only way ive beat german since MTG in ironman was with russia and france.Both tactic was build fort asap along the front line so they dont push on me and once i got my war machine read and my division setup i could push them.Its harder with france since your low on manpower.Find it easier with russia.You still have to dedicate around 90 or 100 factory to fighter or cas only to be sure to have air since allies keep thier plane on they territory.

You don´t need to accept the remilitarization as France, specially if you go for the little entente removing the Ruhr from the equation will cripple Germany a lot. Try it, it´s better than it looks.The real problem is crossing the Rhine once Germany garrisons it so be aware to make a bridgehead ASAP.

As for "My tank is +x and fails", Germany ALSO upgrades their stuff, specially as they will have more land XP than UK and specially US can ever dream of.

[D3st]

Originally posted by Antz:

The allies is not supposed to win the game without help from the Soviet Union. The reason Germany lost was due to the fact that Britain had not surrendered and that the U.S joined the war. This forced Germany to withhold a large amount of troops and instead of placing them towards the USSR, they stood guard against naval invasions in the west.

In my games, Germany almost always loses if it is at war with both the Comintern and the Allies.

do you have MTG?

[Mr_Faorry]

The game I played yesterday where I was trying for "my ships don't lie" ended with an allied victory, most of eastern Europe and Italy was annexed/ puppeted by the soviets, Germany got split up into East Germany, West Germany and the German Reich and I got my achievement.

Just after when going for "forges of victory" I took over the Netherlands and Lux then joined the axis briefly to force Germany to go via Switzerland rather than invade me but otherwise remained neutral. Between Germany, Hungary and Japan the Soviets fell and were left with like 6 states across 3 separate inland locations, ended the game with Britian still alive since Germany never naval invades them and the Axis otherwise dominating (USA was flipping between commie and fascist because they had both the commie and Fascist advisors which happens most games).

It tends to be a 50/50 as to whether the Axis wins outside of player intervention in my experience.

[D3st]

Originally posted by Mr_Faorry:

The game I played yesterday where I was trying for "my ships don't lie" ended with an allied victory, most of eastern Europe and Italy was annexed/ puppeted by the soviets, Germany got split up into East Germany, West Germany and the German Reich and I got my achievement.

Just after when going for "forges of victory" I took over the Netherlands and Lux then joined the axis briefly to force Germany to go via Switzerland rather than invade me but otherwise remained neutral. Between Germany, Hungary and Japan the Soviets fell and were left with like 6 states across 3 separate inland locations, ended the game with Britian still alive since Germany never naval invades them and the Axis otherwise dominating (USA was flipping between commie and fascist because they had both the commie and Fascist advisors which happens most games).

It tends to be a 50/50 as to whether the Axis wins outside of player intervention in my experience.

Would be nice if people tell us if they are playing with MTG dlc or not when talking about they experience.

[JS Cross]

Originally posted by D3st:

Originally posted by Mr_Faorry:

The game I played yesterday where I was trying for "my ships don't lie" ended with an allied victory, most of eastern Europe and Italy was annexed/ puppeted by the soviets, Germany got split up into East Germany, West Germany and the German Reich and I got my achievement.

Just after when going for "forges of victory" I took over the Netherlands and Lux then joined the axis briefly to force Germany to go via Switzerland rather than invade me but otherwise remained neutral. Between Germany, Hungary and Japan the Soviets fell and were left with like 6 states across 3 separate inland locations, ended the game with Britian still alive since Germany never naval invades them and the Axis otherwise dominating (USA was flipping between commie and fascist because they had both the commie and Fascist advisors which happens most games).

It tends to be a 50/50 as to whether the Axis wins outside of player intervention in my experience.

Would be nice if people tell us if they are playing with MTG dlc or not when talking about they experience.

Most likely without if they are getting both fascist and commie advisors