Germany Oppose Hitler is Impossible (Part of DLC)

[cyboogie king]

(Sorry if you don't feel like reading this, here's a summary): The oppose Hitler focus tree should really be revamped and is way more under-powered if you just kept being Nazi Germany. If you want to know why I advice you should read the whole thing.

First of all, the civil war opposing Hitler takes away WAY too much. Me losing half of my ships, divisions, equipment, and planes even after the civil war is just plain stupid. Now I have deep scars in basically every aspect of my military because of this poorly-developed civil war mechanic. Combine this with the new 1.7 update which basically gives every major hundreds of troops while I have 4x less troops than them but 4x as many factories.

So, after I completed the civil war I decided to go democratic and hire some nations as my allies. Nope. You have to go through 2 years straight of focuses dedicated to creating the faction just to create the it and another 360 days to hire an actually decent nation. That means you can't veer off to another focus that actually arms up your nation and have to stay on these crappy focuses. Combine this with the USSR beginning to attack my crucial allies in 1940 when I have less than 600k manpower in the field because I'm still healing from my deep civil war scars while I'm still doing national focuses on hiring more allies makes democratic Germany literally impossible.

Also, why is France guaranteed to go either fascist or communist when I become democratic. Was the only reason for France to be democratic was to stop fascism in Germany? Either way, fascist or communist, they end up fighting me somewhere around the time when I'm engulfed in a losing war with the Soviet Union (while still recovering from the civil war, I didn't even replenish all my tank storage yet) France will automatically join the USSR as the commies or Italy as the fascists, having 2x more troops than me (hey atleast it isn't 4x like before) and they will automatically wreck me and my crappy allies who are off fighting the USSR. UK will sometimes join but just send a few divisions over and take some land in Africa.

Kaiserreich seems the same. I don't have a ton on information on this but it looks like it's the same just more navy-focused where you can ally with the Finnish and possibly UK.

In conclusion, I expected DLCs to be the actually well-developed and cared part that Paradox made for games like this, but turns out half of the new national focuses are just filler content and features that should've been in the base game, and (Wow! so cool!) a new naval system that just lets you customize ships more.

[zz_tophat]

1. git gud
2. go unaligned
3. reform the central powers
4. ?????kaiser????
4. faceroll everyone

[firestar587]

i can win the R56 civil war in under 2 months
no way the DLC civil war is that much harder

[Winston Duarte]

Originally posted by zz_tophat:

1. git gud
2. go unaligned
3. reform the central powers
4. ?????kaiser????
4. faceroll everyone

Exactly my thoughts

[Mr_Faorry]

My first game after 1.7 was literally an oppose Hitler run.

I instantly took the Oppose Hitler focus defeating the NAZI's within a year, rebuilt my industry/ army, steamrolled the allies and then beat the Soviets.
Maybe a month after I declared on the allies the Soviets declared on Latvia which called me (and all of Central/ Eastern Europe) into the war due to the anti-soviet pact. I just threw a full army group of infantry on the soviet line and then proceeded to ignore it until I'd defeated the Allies. Once the allies were gone rolling over the Soviets wasn't all that difficult and after that there was no point continuing since everything else would just be a joke.

So no, it's not impossible.

My army at it's peak was 2 army groups of infantry, 1 army of medium tanks and 1 paratroop division, the allies together matched my division count, though almost half of mine was on the soviet front so in practice they had more (my tank army was also only 12 divisions rather than 24 at this point), the Soviets as always had more divisions.
Division count doesn't matter, just make sure you have enough infantry to hold the front line and use tanks to create breaks in the enemy lines and create encirclement's for your infantry to kill off.
I didn't even bother rebuilding my navy (and never used what little I did have) and I had a fairly small airforce, yet the Allies were easy to beat and the biggest problem with the Soviets was supply issues.

[Mikey]

Nazi Germany is a really powerful nation and since they will eventually be fighting both the Allies and Comintern at the same time they also have to be.

By becoming either democratic or neutral you can more easily temper who you go after. You may even join the Allies as either ideology completely removing them as a potential enemy. This is the strength of that branch.
Instead of doing rapid, and somewhat forced, early expansion YOU choose how and where to expand.
Ally Austria = instant annexation
Ally Hungary and Romania = two satellites (with focus)
France turns communist = Allies won't intervene in Europe
Italy can be turned neutral
etc.

As for the scars of the civil war. If you haven't completely regained your losses by 1938 you are definately doing something wrong. Yes, you will be in a weakened state for a year after the end of the war and you will lose out on around 200k manpower (your losses and nazi losses) depending on how well you do. Just spam cheap cavalry divisions then change their template to infantry once they are deployed, you have plenty of time to train them before the wars kick off.
You lose half the fleet, but that is primarily the surface fleet which is outmatched by any other major anyway, except for the soviet navy which you will still beat with half your navy. It's a non-issue in my opinion.

[JS Cross]

You dont have to go oppose hitler first you can build up the west side industry first and from my experience you keep all the air wings

[Avid]

Is it me or the appose hitler tree has been revamped

[firestar587]

Originally posted by LeotheArtiest:

Is it me or the appose hitler tree has been revamped

1. this thread is 3 years old why are you posting on it, and 2. no it hasn't are you running with mods?