Is man the gun as bad a review say?

[Moe]

I mean i have all dlc but the reviews are putting me off buying this one

[GoldenTalon]

It's as bad or worse. Suggest steering clear for now.

[FDX]

Taking reviews from private profiles also ain't the best thing to do.

[Aeternull]

I personally love MtG. Sure the navy got complicated but it's much better than what it as before.

[Moe]

any pros and cons?

[Ëvïlnïck8 ゴゴゴ]

I think its a nice package.

The British focus tree is realy good, the US one I think is nice aswell, Mexico's focustree is to big in my option and I honestly did not realy play with the Dutch focus tree.

The new navy system is great if you ask me, the game realy needed a better naval system and here it is.

Problem is that the cost is pretty high, 20 euro is not nothing.

[spike2071]

I have no idea if it's worth it or not because I don't own it. But it's on sale on Humble Bundle for 25% off.

https://www.humblebundle.com/store/hearts-of-iron-iv-man-the-guns-expansion

[|H|H| Fr3ddi3]

I don't own it so I can't say.

What I will say though is that I'm not buying it, Partly because I don't care for naval combat but mostly because Iv'e got more important things to spend my money on and MTG's at this price is not something I'm going to entertain. I'm also partly of the opinion that buying this DLC is rewarding Paradox for not putting enough resources into fixing problems within the game, instead just adding more problems on top of the existing ones.

The reason I'm telling you this, is because this person,

Originally posted by GoldenTalon:

It's as bad or worse. Suggest steering clear for now.

like me does not own MTG's, has not played it and thus has no business what so ever telling you if it's any good or not either.

Talon's research on the matter is done with confirmation bias in mind, as in the negative reviews are the only one's he/she will look at. You'll be told the the good reviews are all from shills and fanboys, while all the bad ones are the only true reviews from real people that you should listen too.

Unless of course Talon has now bought MTG's, in which case ignore all this, Talon is just a colossal hypocrite instead.

[Moe]

Originally posted by |H|H| Fr3ddi3:

I don't own it so I can't say.

What I will say though is that I'm not buying it, Partly because I don't care for naval combat but mostly because Iv'e got more important things to spend my money on and MTG's at this price is not something I'm going to entertain. I'm also partly of the opinion that buying this DLC is rewarding Paradox for not putting enough resources into fixing problems within the game, instead just adding more problems on top of the existing ones.

The reason I'm telling you this, is because this person,

Originally posted by GoldenTalon:

It's as bad or worse. Suggest steering clear for now.

like me does not own MTG's, has not played it and thus has no business what so ever telling you if it's any good or not either.

Talon's research on the matter is done with confirmation bias in mind, as in the negative reviews are the only one's he/she will look at. You'll be told the the good reviews are all from shills and fanboys, while all the bad ones are the only true reviews from real people that you should listen too.

Unless of course Talon has now bought MTG's, in which case ignore all this, Talon is just a colossal hypocrite instead.

thank you for pointing that out. i appreciate your honesty and analytic comment.

[Moe]

its just that some reviews are saying this dlc is almost game breaking because we have not enough research slots and too much new naval research that could be spent on better on army tech.

[Ashman]

the worst things of it are free

[SGT Spack 7]

looking at how broken the rest of the game is especially waking the tiger the most broken one, i wouldnt buy it till paradox pulls thier finger out of thier ass and starts fixing the problems with the game the atrocious ai for starters ,but seeing as we've had 3 years of the same problems with no fixes for the broken chinese focuses, broken supply, infantry spamming and aircraft spamming draining thier manpower and just dumb as ♥♥♥♥ ai i wouldnt hold your breath, id go play glory of generals of the app store extremely good map game.

[Zippo]

Originally posted by |H|H| Fr3ddi3:

I don't own it so I can't say.

What I will say though is that I'm not buying it, Partly because I don't care for naval combat but mostly because Iv'e got more important things to spend my money on and MTG's at this price is not something I'm going to entertain. I'm also partly of the opinion that buying this DLC is rewarding Paradox for not putting enough resources into fixing problems within the game, instead just adding more problems on top of the existing ones.

The reason I'm telling you this, is because this person,

Originally posted by GoldenTalon:

It's as bad or worse. Suggest steering clear for now.

Unless of course Talon has now bought MTG's, in which case ignore all this, Talon is just a colossal hypocrite instead.

Talon's threads is all about complaints about overpriced DLC and braindead AI. I don't know why he still cames to this forum. Nothing constructive so far.

He remembers me another private user called Avantech, whose was vanished from HOI4 steam community for the sake of God.

[GoldenTalon]

Originally posted by SGT Spack 7:

looking at how broken the rest of the game is especially waking the tiger the most broken one, i wouldnt buy it till paradox pulls thier finger out of thier ass and starts fixing the problems with the game the atrocious ai for starters ,but seeing as we've had 3 years of the same problems with no fixes for the broken chinese focuses, broken supply, infantry spamming and aircraft spamming draining thier manpower and just dumb as ♥♥♥♥ ai i wouldnt hold your breath, id go play glory of generals of the app store extremely good map game.

Nice summary. And to @HurriKN: thanks for the reminder about Avantech who was the voice of truth on this forum.

[spike2071]

Originally posted by HurriKN:

He remembers me another private user called Avantech, whose was vanished from HOI4 steam community for the sake of God.

I disagreed with Avantech about many things, but I will say that he was honest. He never lied about owning the game or DLCs to bolster his point, or used alt accounts to bump threads or agree with hinself. It's sad that some people feel the need to do so.

Originally posted by Moe:

its just that some reviews are saying this dlc is almost game breaking because we have not enough research slots and too much new naval research that could be spent on better on army tech.

That actually sounds appealing to me. It forces you to concentrate on either your army or navy, instead of having both of them be powerful.

[glythe]

I would say Mtg is one of the most revolutionary aspects of HoI4 in a very good way. Is it worth buying? In my opinion hell yes! The naval designer is the future of this game (pretty sure they are going to do one for planes in near future and maybe tanks as well).

The only reason I rate MtG lower than WtT is because the latter unlocks general traits and the former unlocks admiral traits.

I usually play with TfV turned off and all the rest of the DLC turned on.

MtG makes there be a lot more to naval combat than just I have more ships therefore I win - haha. Having this dlc makes the game incredibly more interesting if you care at all about having a navy. Playing MtG without owning the DLC in my mind is like having a soda vs having an ice cold soda from a glass bottle.

Originally posted by spike2071:

That actually sounds appealing to me. It forces you to concentrate on either your army or navy, instead of having both of them be powerful.

You will find that if you invest in navy research and your opponent does not then you will kill his navy with minimal losses.

This should remind you of what happens if a player opponent ignores army tech or doctrine research and you have not.