As soviets - Puppet Romania & Turkey or Take Them Over?

[Flip]

As per title, I have just defeated Romania, turning on Turkey now. I am not sure if I should puppet or not. I tried puppeting Romania in the hopes that would keep what was left of their army (I could see 10 divisions) but as soon as I did that all their army was gone...

I don't yet have the manufactoring power to supply them with weapons so not sure how long it will take them to build up their forces. If they cannot raise their own men there is little point that I can see in puppeting them.

Same with Turkey now, maybe just easier to take them over?

Any thoughts?

[Who Cares]

take all of romania apart from North Transylvania, dob't puppet them. With turkey, you might as well annex them, because you should take the turkish straits and that doesn't leave them with a lot

[|H|H| Fr3ddi3]

The whole point of taking Romania in the first place, is to deprive the Axis of fuel / stop them from fighting against you and getting yourself a lot of army XP. Whatever happens, you always annex the state with fuel in it, once You've done that? Puppet or Annex are viable. But it's got nothing to do with taking their army.

Puppet Romania is viable because it will act as a buffer state between you and Germany, This keeps your frontline with the axis much smaller than it otherwise will eventually be (this is why you might puppet Finland and Lithuania as well). The issue there is that the Axis are weaker when they have to spread their forces across a wider frontline while you are actually stronger ... but it depends on your overall strategy.

Turkey, you just want the industry. A couple of port Garrisons is all you need for them .. though i'd also capture Bulgaria in this instance as well.

[ThatOneHorthyGuy]

Annex Turkey, their focus tree really doesn't take autonomy fully into consideration and can make turkey fully independent easily, don't know if this was fixed however.

[velvetcrabman]

Normally take Roumania first, form puppets that are available in list, puppet Roumania in the last border state to provide buffer. Hungary will likely make claim on Transylvania later so you either need to take them quick or hope they declare before joining Axis, puppet them too.

Turkey: make sure you've invited one of the new puppets you just created to the war (not Transylvania). Form Kurdistan, give the puppet all the coastline in the south and around the Bosporus securing a buffer from naval invasion, annex the rest except for one region, puppet that.

No need to worry about equipping them. They'll equip 'selves eventually. Don't call them into wars, simply request troops. The enemy will defend along the borders as though they're stacked even if empty, all troops you won't have to fight.

Dotted through the focus tree are several powerful focii that give huge benefits to both yourself and all your puppets, e.g. research or free rail tracks. Check out "Form the Comintern" one to see how powerful these can be and why more puppets is always better....

[mk11]

Not sure if it is still the case, it used to be by going Liberated Workers and getting some compliance you would get more out of the nation by annexing. Could get more than 100% of output.

[velvetcrabman]

Originally posted by mk11:

Not sure if it is still the case, it used to be by going Liberated Workers and getting some compliance you would get more out of the nation by annexing. Could get more than 100% of output.

Going to have to give that a try :)

[Big Moustache]

Papa Stalin is the father of nations. Get collaboration, annex and than release them both as a integrated Soviet state. You have huge bonuses to keep them loyal with the Stalin focustree, not so much with local resistance when you flat out annex. Put your spy agency to work before declaring war. It will also safe you alot of manpower and equipment when doing this. Do the same with Finland and Iran. You can wait to call your puppets into the war and the lands form a buffer that can not be penetrated, so you can focus all troops on your direct borders with enemies. Iran is important for oil and neighbouring India. You can call in puppets when you are ready to invade the lands they border with. I find the game way more relaxed and having many options and aces in the hole

[Blind]

Originally posted by Flip:

As per title, I have just defeated Romania, turning on Turkey now. I am not sure if I should puppet or not. I tried puppeting Romania in the hopes that would keep what was left of their army (I could see 10 divisions) but as soon as I did that all their army was gone...

I don't yet have the manufactoring power to supply them with weapons so not sure how long it will take them to build up their forces. If they cannot raise their own men there is little point that I can see in puppeting them.

Same with Turkey now, maybe just easier to take them over?

Any thoughts?

Puppet them and then when you are ready you can construct stuff in their territory to reduce their autonomy and eventually annex them. If you puppet them and go to war, especially with turkey, you can refuse their entrance into the war and effectively block the enemy off your southwestern flank.

[Flip]

Thanks for the answers all but my post was 4 years ago so I have forgotten the question :D

[velvetcrabman]

May be a necro, but actually one worth revisiting so never mind :)

[Flip]

Originally posted by velvetcrabman:

May be a necro, but actually one worth revisiting so never mind :)

Probably but I am totally out of the loop of what I asked :) I have it here for reference should I play HoI IV again (which I am certain I will!) and others can find it useful.

[Kapakc]

I usually take all terrotory from turkey, except for the costline from bosparus to syria, and the border to france in africa. Romania i usually take everything except the brder provinces to bulgaria and hungary.