America Peace if Britain Falls?

[Tanya Degurechaff]

Will this ever be a thing?
or do you think america would fight a war half the world away with few allies?

[Ecoste]

yankees nevah surrrender.

[Tanya Degurechaff]

Originally posted by Ecoste:

yankees nevah surrrender.

white peace isn't a surrender. but americans do love their stupid wars.

[|H|H| Fr3ddi3]

If Fascism or Communism won in Europe, USA would logically be next ... at least thats what you'd be thinking if you happened to live there at the time.

Whether or not that would have meant open war is up for debate, but the simple fact is America wanted, to this day, to have a buffer between them and states which were against the US Ideals / sphere of influence.

So long as the US had the capacity to fight, I don't see why it would not have.

[zz_tophat]

Realistically, ya, this is what would have happened if the UK and the soviet union fell. There is no way to conduct a ground invasion across that much ocean without a staging area and a means to bypass the navy.

Even so there wouldn't be a peace deal without major concessions and it's doubtful the US would even come to the table for anything less than autonomy for at the very least the allied regions.

I think a realistic outcome for hoi4 would be france and the UK becoming facists puppets, with their respective empires broken up, if not entirely liberated, poland bein' made part of the reich and the soviet union being broken up and integrated puppet.

For a real world outcome, there would likely be a reverse Versailles, with France and Britain getting the short end of the stick, the breaking up of their empires, and massive territorial concessions all around, Germany would not be able to keep everything they took, at the point where they defeated the soviets they would be completely spent if they managed it at all so managing a world spanning empire would be out of the question.

germany would likely end up looking like the holy roman empire: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Holy_Roman_Empire_at_its_territorial_apex_%28per_consensus%29.svg/2000px-Holy_Roman_Empire_at_its_territorial_apex_%28per_consensus%29.svg.png

[Notabot187]

The US invade the Philippines after island hopping postage stamp areas. They could staged in Iceland if needed. That and the Atlantic is tiny compared to the logistics issues of the Pacific.

[Imagination]

Originally posted by Nanachi:

Originally posted by Ecoste:

yankees nevah surrrender.

white peace isn't a surrender. but americans do love their stupid wars.

No argument from this American.

[Tanya Degurechaff]

Originally posted by Beep:

US didn't even want to go to war with Germany. Before pearl harbor only 8% of the population wanted to go to war with the Axis. Then the Japanese bombed the US.

The US would've still curb stomped the Japanese. But invade mainland Europe? no way man. If the Ally colonies would hold out in Africa then the US would've gone there. But if not, then we'd have no reason to continue the war.

You should watch interviews of German troops, both SS and Wehrmacht, who all said they didn't want to fight the Americans. Some Germans even thought that at the very end of the war, as they fled West to group up with US soldiers to be taken prisoner, they thought that maybe the US would team up with the remaining Germans, and that they would march together on the soviets to save Germany.

General Patton himself said that they were fighting the wrong enemy, if it were up to him then he would've invaded the USSR. Every decision Germany made was in their eyes, the only way to defend western europe against the communists. France had a large communist population that was on the rise, but it's never mentioned in history books. If the communists managed to take over the French government, Germany would've been surrounded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSabII2h7jI

well they didn't want to fight the brits but the brits said ♥♥♥♥ you we'll die to the last.

[Mikey]

Historically, if Britain had fallen and the Axis had taken over full control of the East Atlantic the US would never have been able to launch an invasion without severe casualties along the way.
Think about it, sending 1-2m men over in transports would require a massive armada and would be virtually impossible to secure.
If they had opted to send a "small" strike force over, say 200k, they would have been left to fend for themselves for several days before reinforcements could come as the only viable starting location would be from Iceland

[Tanya Degurechaff]

Originally posted by Mikey:

Historically, if Britain had fallen and the Axis had taken over full control of the East Atlantic the US would never have been able to launch an invasion without severe casualties along the way.
Think about it, sending 1-2m men over in transports would require a massive armada and would be virtually impossible to secure.
If they had opted to send a "small" strike force over, say 200k, they would have been left to fend for themselves for several days before reinforcements could come as the only viable starting location would be from Iceland

yep the americans would be screwed, and the longer time goes on the more the axis bunkers

[Goose]

Germany would've set up a puppet country in the UK just like they did in France. the US would've continued to trade with western europe (all fascist) and likely would've supplied them with weapons & supplies against the USSR

[Hermóðr]

Depends if the kamikaze bombing of Pearl Harbour has happened yet or not. If it has then the US would probably focus on fighting japan but try to make peace with germany. If not then they would probably try to invade the occupied allies. If they succeed they would probably keep on fighting but trying to make a peace that doesn't include the puppeting of the allies. If they failed they would surely try to negotiate a white peace. If the soviet union has fallen and pearl harbour has been bombed then i believe they still would fight japan but be desperately to get a peace after that.

[Tanya Degurechaff]

Originally posted by Hermóðr:

Depends if the kamikaze bombing of Pearl Harbour has happened yet or not. If it has then the US would probably focus on fighting japan but try to make peace with germany. If not then they would probably try to invade the occupied allies. If they succeed they would probably keep on fighting but trying to make a peace that doesn't include the puppeting of the allies. If they failed they would surely try to negotiate a white peace. If the soviet union has fallen and pearl harbour has been bombed then i believe they still would fight japan but be desperately to get a peace after that.

but japan would probably get all the resources they needed, the axis would focus on shipbuilding and build a massive fleet in a short time. or at least a huge mass of naval bombers

[loks]

+++ that strange thing for me also, what i didnt like that u even cant make peace dialog with them?? like ok i give u back all what i captured go peace, but no we dont wanna talk with u - 20 base desire

[Tanya Degurechaff]

and seriously nobody wants to invade America from europe or vice versa.

[SP3008]

Originally posted by Hermóðr:

Depends if the kamikaze bombing of Pearl Harbour has happened yet or not. If it has then the US would probably focus on fighting japan but try to make peace with germany. If not then they would probably try to invade the occupied allies. If they succeed they would probably keep on fighting but trying to make a peace that doesn't include the puppeting of the allies. If they failed they would surely try to negotiate a white peace. If the soviet union has fallen and pearl harbour has been bombed then i believe they still would fight japan but be desperately to get a peace after that.

Kamikaze bombing of Pearl Harbour? Did I read that correctly?