Antisemitism in HOI4

[kekm8]

I recently purchased this game and was super excited to start killing some nazi scum. But almost immediately I realized something was off. There is no mention of the holocaust and Hitler isn't even portrayed as a villain, let alone the monster that he was. He is just another playable character, completely interchangeable with any other. They have completely whitewashed Nazi atrocities.

So I'd like to bring attention to the elephant in the room. Paradox has blatantly disregarded six million of my brothers and sisters who died at the hands of the Nazis. I am saddened and disgusted by it. I'd like to know your thoughts about this omission, and how we can bring more attention to this terrible tragedy.

[DireFash]

Publicado originalmente por kekm8:

Publicado originalmente por Unfrosted Flakes:

So, concerning your solution of not allowing him as a playable character, is there any way to allow him to be a playable character or is it Antisemitic to allow him to played at all?

In my opinion it is antisemtic to allow him to be playable. We cannot forget for one second the evil that he unleashed on the world. But if he is playable then there should still be some sort of disclaimer about what his idealogy lead to. I see people comparing Nazi Germany's disgusting actions to other "war crimes" committed by the allies, but I think we can all agree that what Hitler did requires a special kind of evil that sets him apart from all others.

Plus I think it's pretty obvious that the Axis got no more than what they deserved in the bombings of Hiroshima/Dresden.

I don't think Hitler's ambitions were that much different than Hirohito's, Mussolini's, and Stalin's. It feels a bit odd to censor Hitler but not Stalin at the very least. If you disagree, why does Hitler's genocide differ from Stalin's?

[Akeuila]

How do you people play any game that takes place in WW2? The game isn't real life...

[JonesyBoi]

Publicado originalmente por kekm8:

Publicado originalmente por Unfrosted Flakes:

So, concerning your solution of not allowing him as a playable character, is there any way to allow him to be a playable character or is it Antisemitic to allow him to played at all?

In my opinion it is antisemtic to allow him to be playable. We cannot forget for one second the evil that he unleashed on the world. But if he is playable then there should still be some sort of disclaimer about what his idealogy lead to. I see people comparing Nazi Germany's disgusting actions to other "war crimes" committed by the allies, but I think we can all agree that what Hitler did requires a special kind of evil that sets him apart from all others.

Plus I think it's pretty obvious that the Axis got no more than what they deserved in the bombings of Hiroshima/Dresden.

In that case tthen you're no better than the people you call out for being evil.

[Jhole]

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[Kilrathii]

Paradox makes efforts to not politicize its games so its quite opposite of what you claim.

Social Justice Warrior comes to 'fix' strategy games. Get out please go ruin call of duty or something you cockroach.

[Chessman]

This seems to be a good game because everyone seems to know their history and not forget what happened .. do your research and let us learn about the past ... ///Peace

[qwert]

this is strategy game not a holocaust simulation game. Besides, its more respectful to not mention about it.

[d_jakowenko]

Publicado originalmente por kekm8:

I recently purchased this game and was super excited to start killing some nazi scum. But almost immediately I realized something was off. There is no mention of the holocaust and Hitler isn't even portrayed as a villain, let alone the monster that he was. He is just another playable character, completely interchangeable with any other. They have completely whitewashed Nazi atrocities.

So I'd like to bring attention to the elephant in the room. Paradox has blatantly disregarded six million of my brothers and sisters who died at the hands of the Nazis. I am saddened and disgusted by it. I'd like to know your thoughts about this omission, and how we can bring more attention to this terrible tragedy.

STFU.

Only the Jews suffered, right? selfish ass.

[G.R.]

Publicado originalmente por kekm8:

I recently purchased this game and was super excited to start killing some nazi scum. But almost immediately I realized something was off. There is no mention of the holocaust and Hitler isn't even portrayed as a villain, let alone the monster that he was. He is just another playable character, completely interchangeable with any other. They have completely whitewashed Nazi atrocities.

So I'd like to bring attention to the elephant in the room. Paradox has blatantly disregarded six million of my brothers and sisters who died at the hands of the Nazis. I am saddened and disgusted by it. I'd like to know your thoughts about this omission, and how we can bring more attention to this terrible tragedy.

Im going to make multiple points here, but I will give an introduction of what it is; 1) I look at numbers and facts and I use reason, no feelings will go into this, 2) Do some research and learn history. START OF MY POINTS: Yes Hitler allegedly was responsible for the deaths of over 6 million jews during the holocaust BUT if you do the math... (6 camps, 6 years, 6 million jews [how convienent right?] so an average of 1 million jews a year or 19230.7692 a week or 2747.25274 a day or 114.468864 an hour or 1.9078144 a minute or 0.0317969067 a second. Math shows holocaust didnt happen as they wouldve had to been burning 1.90 jews a minute.) ...the holocaust isn't real. SECOND OF ALL Stalin was responsible for approximately 55 million deaths in his time of power and the game doesn't point that out as many of those were during the time the game is based in from start to end. Stalin doesn't get demonized, he also killed millions of Jews, even more than Hitler but still isnt demonized. The British were also killed millions of people but aren't demonized. The Japanese killed over double the amount of people but aren't demonized. So get the flip outta here with your "Antisemitism in HOI4" ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. It aint anti-semitic its a strategic game based around WWII, and the wars that happened in that general time. It ISNT based upon the social bs that either didn't effect the war or the social bs that would make the game less appealing. A STRATEGY WAR GAME DOES NOT NEED THE HOLOCAUST IN IT TO BE GOOD. (Im not a nazi, i dont deny the holocaust I just question it, I just know my ♥♥♥♥ and get annoyed by triggered little kids that think everything is racist, sexist, antisemitic, etc...

[Admod, the Equivocal]

Publicado originalmente por ёб твою мать:

Publicado originalmente por kekm8:

I recently purchased this game and was super excited to start killing some nazi scum. But almost immediately I realized something was off. There is no mention of the holocaust and Hitler isn't even portrayed as a villain, let alone the monster that he was. He is just another playable character, completely interchangeable with any other. They have completely whitewashed Nazi atrocities.

So I'd like to bring attention to the elephant in the room. Paradox has blatantly disregarded six million of my brothers and sisters who died at the hands of the Nazis. I am saddened and disgusted by it. I'd like to know your thoughts about this omission, and how we can bring more attention to this terrible tragedy.

Im going to make multiple points here, but I will give an introduction of what it is; 1) I look at numbers and facts and I use reason, no feelings will go into this, 2) Do some research and learn history. START OF MY POINTS: Yes Hitler allegedly was responsible for the deaths of over 6 million jews during the holocaust BUT if you do the math... (6 camps, 6 years, 6 million jews [how convienent right?] so an average of 1 million jews a year or 19230.7692 a week or 2747.25274 a day or 114.468864 an hour or 1.9078144 a minute or 0.0317969067 a second. Math shows holocaust didnt happen as they wouldve had to been burning 1.90 jews a minute.) ...the holocaust isn't real. SECOND OF ALL Stalin was responsible for approximately 55 million deaths in his time of power and the game doesn't point that out as many of those were during the time the game is based in from start to end. Stalin doesn't get demonized, he also killed millions of Jews, even more than Hitler but still isnt demonized. The British were also killed millions of people but aren't demonized. The Japanese killed over double the amount of people but aren't demonized. So get the flip outta here with your "Antisemitism in HOI4" ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. It aint anti-semitic its a strategic game based around WWII, and the wars that happened in that general time. It ISNT based upon the social bs that either didn't effect the war or the social bs that would make the game less appealing. A STRATEGY WAR GAME DOES NOT NEED THE HOLOCAUST IN IT TO BE GOOD. (Im not a nazi, i dont deny the holocaust I just question it, I just know my ♥♥♥♥ and get annoyed by triggered little kids that think everything is racist, sexist, antisemitic, etc...

TLDR : AHHAARGHAHAHAHAAH! WW2

[Duke of Ghost]

Publicado originalmente por kekm8:

Publicado originalmente por Freeman:

You dont wanna be able to play the germans in a game about world war two shut up you pc cuck

I happen to have an aversion to evil, unlike you nazi scumbags. Nazi Germany should be banned and the game should be more clear about who the good guys were and weren't. The only thing making them playable does is that it allows people to empathize with the Germans which is really just playing with fire from my perspective. My great uncle died in the holocaust so the threat is very real for me and my family. Let that sink in for a minute.

Your great uncle died in the holocaust.
And this is suppose to... make me care or somehow make you right?
Sure bud. GTFO you leftwing scum.

[Aqour]

OP, I fully support your goal of petitioning Paradox to let Nazi Germany ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Of course, it's all for historical accuracy, right?

[kekm8]

Publicado originalmente por ёб твою мать:

Publicado originalmente por kekm8:

I recently purchased this game and was super excited to start killing some nazi scum. But almost immediately I realized something was off. There is no mention of the holocaust and Hitler isn't even portrayed as a villain, let alone the monster that he was. He is just another playable character, completely interchangeable with any other. They have completely whitewashed Nazi atrocities.

So I'd like to bring attention to the elephant in the room. Paradox has blatantly disregarded six million of my brothers and sisters who died at the hands of the Nazis. I am saddened and disgusted by it. I'd like to know your thoughts about this omission, and how we can bring more attention to this terrible tragedy.

Im going to make multiple points here, but I will give an introduction of what it is; 1) I look at numbers and facts and I use reason, no feelings will go into this, 2) Do some research and learn history. START OF MY POINTS: Yes Hitler allegedly was responsible for the deaths of over 6 million jews during the holocaust BUT if you do the math... (6 camps, 6 years, 6 million jews [how convienent right?] so an average of 1 million jews a year or 19230.7692 a week or 2747.25274 a day or 114.468864 an hour or 1.9078144 a minute or 0.0317969067 a second. Math shows holocaust didnt happen as they wouldve had to been burning 1.90 jews a minute.) ...the holocaust isn't real. SECOND OF ALL Stalin was responsible for approximately 55 million deaths in his time of power and the game doesn't point that out as many of those were during the time the game is based in from start to end. Stalin doesn't get demonized, he also killed millions of Jews, even more than Hitler but still isnt demonized. The British were also killed millions of people but aren't demonized. The Japanese killed over double the amount of people but aren't demonized. So get the flip outta here with your "Antisemitism in HOI4" ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. It aint anti-semitic its a strategic game based around WWII, and the wars that happened in that general time. It ISNT based upon the social bs that either didn't effect the war or the social bs that would make the game less appealing. A STRATEGY WAR GAME DOES NOT NEED THE HOLOCAUST IN IT TO BE GOOD. (Im not a nazi, i dont deny the holocaust I just question it, I just know my ♥♥♥♥ and get annoyed by triggered little kids that think everything is racist, sexist, antisemitic, etc...

I've reported your account for antisemitism. I hope you realize how serious holocaust denial is. There is a very real possibility that you could be blacklisted from several European countries for expressing these disgusting views. This is not something people take lightly. Enjoy having your account locked.

[Kudomundo]

Publicado originalmente por kekm8:

I happen to have an aversion to evil, unlike you nazi scumbags. Nazi Germany should be banned and the game should be more clear about who the good guys were and weren't. The only thing making them playable does is that it allows people to empathize with the Germans which is really just playing with fire from my perspective. My great uncle died in the holocaust so the threat is very real for me and my family. Let that sink in for a minute.

So you're calling people ''nazi scumbags'', which is not only ignorant of the fact that the National Socialist German Worker's Party hasn't existed since October 10, 1945, but is a bitterness-filled insult similar to what a nazi would make, which is further reinforced by the dehumanizating statement ''unlike you nazi scumbags''. Of course saying it's a ''dehumanizating statement'' is needlessly melodramatic (can't think of a more proffessional term at the moment) but so is using a dead relative to ♥♥♥♥♥ about feeling threatened by a video game.

To ban the German Reich from being playable would be to, you know, close off an entire nation from being playable. The number 1 most important and central world-power in WW2. The one wedged in between France and the Soviet Union, and is a stone's throw away from the UK which takes quite a bit of planning to pull off a land invasion of Britain. You know, the one where you have to keep a close eye on the Soviet Union's activities and determine when would be the best time to strike before they can reinforce their border and interior. Also, last I remember Paradox's 3rd largest source of consumers is in Germany. And as has been seen in the games industry in the last few years, putting ideology before customer satisfaction and profits is a quick way to lose a lot of money and all respect and trust your customers had for you.

On the topic of making it clear who ''the bad guys were and weren't'', you need to understand the concepts of ''backlash'' and ''getting sick of the same old ♥♥♥♥'' and ''the boy who cried wolf''. We could get into the war crimes commited by the Allies or Nazi Germany's rebuilding of infrastructure, technological developments, and the fact that a nation sunken into chaos and frequent riots by communists being pacified to the point that it wasn't long before Germany was hosting the olympic games, but I personally think that the most compelling argument is that the flavor text in Paradox games is always written from the point of view of the nation you're playing as, with it's clever, funny, and sensible point-of-view logic such as why seeing a comet in the sky is an omen of doom (Europa Universalis).

The ''allows people to empathise with Germans'' part just reeks of intolerance and bigotry (LOL) towards germans so I'm not even going to touch that part, it's a tad too obvious. https://archive.org/details/BBC1945TheSavagePeaceAtrocitiesAgainstGermans

Finally, ''My great uncle died in the holocaust so the threat is very real for me and my family.''
This is as sensible as deepsea astronomy. Someone else died in a concentration camp, so you are afraid of also being placed in a concentration camp even though they're currently being used as museums and memorials instead of extermination/slavery centers? More importantly, if you do live in some totalitarian regime, I garauntee you that that regime doesn't care if a relative has died in the holocaust, they'd be far more concerned with the crushing dissent and weeding out ''undesirables'' in the PRESENT. I have to ask what country you live in, because unless you live in North Korea, you just might have paranoid schizophrenia. In addition, ''let that sink in for a minute'' in an emotional appeal, not a reasoning, thus is irrelevant.

Basically you're acting like a nazi by calling other people nazis and scumbags and being bitter and inflammatory, just like the nazis were.

TLDR, calm your tits or get a refund.

[G.R.]

Publicado originalmente por kekm8:

Publicado originalmente por ёб твою мать:

Im going to make multiple points here, but I will give an introduction of what it is; 1) I look at numbers and facts and I use reason, no feelings will go into this, 2) Do some research and learn history. START OF MY POINTS: Yes Hitler allegedly was responsible for the deaths of over 6 million jews during the holocaust BUT if you do the math... (6 camps, 6 years, 6 million jews [how convienent right?] so an average of 1 million jews a year or 19230.7692 a week or 2747.25274 a day or 114.468864 an hour or 1.9078144 a minute or 0.0317969067 a second. Math shows holocaust didnt happen as they wouldve had to been burning 1.90 jews a minute.) ...the holocaust isn't real. SECOND OF ALL Stalin was responsible for approximately 55 million deaths in his time of power and the game doesn't point that out as many of those were during the time the game is based in from start to end. Stalin doesn't get demonized, he also killed millions of Jews, even more than Hitler but still isnt demonized. The British were also killed millions of people but aren't demonized. The Japanese killed over double the amount of people but aren't demonized. So get the flip outta here with your "Antisemitism in HOI4" ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. It aint anti-semitic its a strategic game based around WWII, and the wars that happened in that general time. It ISNT based upon the social bs that either didn't effect the war or the social bs that would make the game less appealing. A STRATEGY WAR GAME DOES NOT NEED THE HOLOCAUST IN IT TO BE GOOD. (Im not a nazi, i dont deny the holocaust I just question it, I just know my ♥♥♥♥ and get annoyed by triggered little kids that think everything is racist, sexist, antisemitic, etc...

I've reported your account for antisemitism. I hope you realize how serious holocaust denial is. There is a very real possibility that you could be blacklisted from several European countries for expressing these disgusting views. This is not something people take lightly. Enjoy having your account locked.

Im not anti-semitic though, im friends with jews, dated a jew, am pro israel, and am a fan of both ben shapiro and milo yiannopolous both of which are jews and are pro-israel and are proud jews