Very low division organization?

[JOHNNY SEALION]

Hello

I'm playing as the Soviet Union, everything is going well. I have a massive army, and I'm ready for World War II, however, something is halting me from victory.

My divisions have unbelivably low organization. My inf. divisions have 47 Organizations, while Germany's have 79. I'm losing decisively, when I even outnumber them. Can someome tell me what I'm doing wrong??

[Lord Castellan Majorian]

You havent researched doctrines, or your divisions are just weaker

[JOHNNY SEALION]

Originally posted by Legatus Castellan Aurelianus:

You havent researched doctrines, or your divisions are just weaker

I completed the Mass-Assault doctrine. Why would my divisions be weaker?

[Ryan]

Is 47 Organization the max? Or are they just not recovering fully? Don't go less than 3 Infantry battallions in your Divisions, or your Organization will be very low. You can still very easily destroy the enemy with less Organization by making it up with massive firepower. Personally I run my divisions with less Organization while having over 1000 Soft Attack. The enemy casualties are so high the battle doesn't last long enough for my Organization to deplete.

[JOHNNY SEALION]

Originally posted by Ryan:

Is 47 Organization the max? Or are they just not recovering fully? Don't go less than 3 Infantry battallions in your Divisions, or your Organization will be very low. You can still very easily destroy the enemy with less Organization by making it up with massive firepower. Personally I run my divisions with less Organization while having over 1000 Soft Attack. The enemy casualties are so high the battle doesn't last long enough for my Organization to deplete.

47 Is the max, yeah. Alright, I'll try that. Thanks for the advice ^^

[Darkness]

can you post a picture of your average division? More infantry gives you more organization. The thing with MassAssault is I believe you are more about organization regeneration for infantry, while Mobile doctrine revolves around a very high organization at the start, but it takes some time to build back up. Thats how it was in HOI3 as well.

[JOHNNY SEALION]

Originally posted by Darkness:

can you post a picture of your average division? More infantry gives you more organization. The thing with MassAssault is I believe you are more about organization regeneration for infantry, while Mobile doctrine revolves around a very high organization at the start, but it takes some time to build back up. Thats how it was in HOI3 as well.

Sure, here's a screenshot. https://gyazo.com/afa2326fc6961959df662e2e02e7eb8a

[Ryan]

You can add another Infantry battallion to your division which will increase the organization. Keep in mind the Battlefield allows divisions to fight in 20 width increments, so it is ideal to have your divisions close to 20 Combat Width. If you are way below, then you are fielding divisions that are weaker than they need to be. If your divisions are 21, then you will be fielding less divisions than the enemy because not as many can fit on the battlefield at once.

Optimal Divisions will be either 20 or 40 Combat Width in size. I haven't play Russia. Is there some negative multiplier that is keeping your Organization so low? Is there a national affect on your military?

[JOHNNY SEALION]

Originally posted by Ryan:

You can add another Infantry battallion to your division which will increase the organization. Keep in mind the Battlefield allows divisions to fight in 20 width increments, so it is ideal to have your divisions close to 20 Combat Width. If you are way below, then you are fielding divisions that are weaker than they need to be. If your divisions are 21, then you will be fielding less divisions than the enemy because not as many can fit on the battlefield at once.

Optimal Divisions will be either 20 or 40 Combat Width in size. I haven't play Russia. Is there some negative multiplier that is keeping your Organization so low? Is there a national affect on your military?

Yeah, there's one. However, even when it goes away it still doesn't really make a difference. sigh.

[Darkness]

Originally posted by Gavrilo SRB (Not in Serbia :(:

Originally posted by Darkness:

can you post a picture of your average division? More infantry gives you more organization. The thing with MassAssault is I believe you are more about organization regeneration for infantry, while Mobile doctrine revolves around a very high organization at the start, but it takes some time to build back up. Thats how it was in HOI3 as well.

Sure, here's a screenshot. https://gyazo.com/afa2326fc6961959df662e2e02e7eb8a

I believe the reason you are seeing the 47 organization is the line artillery. Infantry increases your organization and HP while line infantry decreases it, but gives a LOT more soft attack.

[JOHNNY SEALION]

Originally posted by Darkness:

Originally posted by Gavrilo SRB (Not in Serbia :(:

Sure, here's a screenshot. https://gyazo.com/afa2326fc6961959df662e2e02e7eb8a

I believe the reason you are seeing the 47 organization is the line artillery. Infantry increases your organization and HP while line infantry decreases it, but gives a LOT more soft attack.

What should I do? I'm at a complete loss.

[Ryan]

I just checked my division template which is similar to yours. 47 Organization is normal. If Germany has 79 organization it means that division is 100% infantry. You can mouse-over the enemy division and see what its makeup is. Your division will destroy it because you will have more Soft Attack. I run ~29 Organization with 4 Infantry / 4 Artillery in my divisions at 20 Width. They win every battle except the rare armor division you run across.

IMO the ONLY purpose infantry serve is to provide just enough Organization to keep your division n the fight. Your combat power comes from artillery and tanks. Once you win the battle rest for a few hours to recoup your Organization, and you are ready to win the next battle.

[baddoggs]

I ALLWAYS have These support Coy's With all my Divisions.
HQ, Signals and Logistics. These improve your "org" levels a lot.
Also, make sure you are not "training" them. They won't accumulate
org if they are in a training cycle.

[MeDaDaddy]

Also bear in mind that divisions will benefit from General Staff traits as well as Doctrines so, for instance, Germany may have hired (via the polirical points system) a Staffer that gives +x% Organisation.

The USSR has a negative Organisation modifier for some years after the Great Purge or until the "Lessons of War" focus is researched.

You can identify any modifiers affecting any Division trait by bringing up the unit's stats and hovering the mouse over the appropriate area (from a deployed unit, not in the training panel.)

[Landbernt]

Maybe you put them all in one province. Show a picture of them pls

[Banzai_Tankrunner]

Also, Paradox have some learning disability that prevents them from establishing recognizable RNG. They sort of Autistically flail about and when something is good they nerf it and when something is bad, (IE HOI 4 Combat AI, combat RNG, AI cheating, and broken mechanics) they refuse to do ANYTHING about it.
And they actually wonder why they get hate?