Why aren't Communists seen in the same light as Fascists and National Socialists?

[Kencko]

I've seen a few posts asking "Why do people love the Nazis on this discussion board"
My question is why aren't the fans of Communism equally demonized?

[zacharyb]

Publicado originalmente por Stonecrusher III:

Publicado originalmente por !Kencko:

Its the same here in UK =S I'm suprised the USA is the same seens as you lot were in the Korean war, Vietnam war and the cold war.

You are? I have met a teacher that teaches that Vietnam wasn't a war but a conflict because 'only one side fired (meaning they were defenseless and just took it, I don't know how so many American's died then)' where we went over and slaughtered civilians for no good reason. Of course he wouldn't say that to one of the old men that were drafted to go over there on veterans day. And told the kids not to tell their parents in fear that a veteran would confront him.

Actually Vietnam wasn't a War, Congress never declared war on North Vietnam, therefore it was a conflict. Congress hasn't declared war since WW2, but that doesn't mean any of the conflicts since then haven't been like wars. Yes it's very dumb, but that's just how the US works.

[runequester]

Go into literally any book store in the US and go to the Russian history section.

You will find a dozen books about the crimes of Stalin and Lenin.

Heck, in 5th or 6th grade in school, we learned about the revolution and how people were "disappeared".



I can only conclude that OP is either illiterate or hasn't reached 4th grade yet.

Either can be resolved in time.

[runequester]

Publicado originalmente por Bloody:

the op is baffling to me. maybe he rolls in different circles.
in my circles communism IS associated with fascism.
its only the left echo chamber that thinks its not.

Your circles are historically illiterate.

[Vinyl Wookiee]

Publicado originalmente por Anjew:

Because in america we have done really stupid things and lost thousands of lives due to the irrational fear of communism. Also national socialism is more obviously evil and extermination is way more flashy and rememberable and causing a famine.

The attrocities of communism were mostly due to corruption and innept bureaucrats. Another thing is that communism sounds okay on paper and if you dont really think about it.

Its possble to some parts of communism into a more democratic and fair system. Democratic fascist is a oxymoron and can not exist.

I disagree, While much of the McCarthy era was unwarrented and hurt some peoples' reputations, the fear is justified. Even today, I fear that my decendents will forget the horrors that Communism created and try to enact it once more, to even more catastrophic results.

The problem with Communism is that it is the opposite of a democratic and fair system. Under Communism a person has little to no power over their own lives, and are unable to change it. Also Communism is probably one of the least fair systems out there. The government takes what you have, and distributes it based on what THEY think you need. The amount of corruption the stems from that is gigantic.

I'd rather have Fascism than Communism any day of the week. Just look at Franco's Spain that lasted into the 70s. He was a fascist dicator but didn't start a world war or a genocide. Much of Fascist is not inherently evil, but people like Hitler and Mussolini used it to gain power and expand it through violence.

[Vinyl Wookiee]

You must however say that Fascism isn't totally "Right-wing" but a combination of both sides policies in a radicalized fashion?

[Ëvïlnïck8 ゴゴゴ]

The Nazis were trying to exterminate all jews, while communism in general didnt realy had those kind of discrimination (but as far i know religion was not much appreciated, not sure how it went in communist China).
The Nazis were very warmongering and pretty much constantly annaxing or invading countries. Communist nations also invaded foreighn countries but never at the extreme as Germany did.
And finaly, communism has the luxery of being in the name of the people, an ideology were everyone is eqeul sounds alot better then a ideology that has an dictatorship and if you pick nation socialism you even have an extremely discimitated goverment.

[rodja]

The real communism doesn’t mean the racial discrimination of a certain ethnic group or his extermination, nazi ideology does. The point is that some (too many..) people tend to confuse Stalinism or Maoism with the “pure” marxism. So the Marxist communism and the German nazi-fascism aren’t the same (Friedrich Engels has never spoken about GULAGS in his political theory). People who say that communism is worse than fascism are, according to me, just neo-fascist revisionists with the only purpose of justifying the German war crimes without any historical knowledge.

[vlturbo]

Well the difference is that communism is not authoritarian by default where as fascism is but I do agree that little attention is given towards this. I do want to point point out though many people have been saved by socialist institutions within democracies such as socialised health care, education and in some cases infrastructure.

Being a far-left, anarchist socialist I would have to agree with you almost entirely and I think we should denounce the USSR and the PRC more than we do currently.

[StunnedAndgRaped]

Merely because communism is a great ideology, thus, there is no such forums. I do get why you, such an anti-communist, is exposed to such great triggerredness, but I must urge you to not mind. Go read some Soviet Empire book

[kolätare]

Publicado originalmente por tylerfkn1:

Merely because communism is a great ideology, thus, there is no such forums. I do get why you, such an anti-communist, is exposed to such great triggerredness, but I must urge you to not mind. Go read some Soviet Empire book

Great ideology for the poor to get even more used. Also, Soviet Empire? Empires are so uncommunist.

[东山市塔寨村林耀东]

Facists proposed large-scale genocide which we can't tolerate.

[kolätare]

Publicado originalmente por CarlosYan:

Facists proposed large-scale genocide which we can't tolerate.

Fascists didn't propose genocides, those were Nazis. And trust me, Nazism is based on Fascism but not the same. Fascists proposed more of a cultural assimilation (eg. italianization in Italy)

[Rocha]

ok

[armzngunz]

Communism isn't as hated because
A) Communism isn't inherently bad, anyone could in theory attempt to make a communist state where no one is killed or oppressed. National socialism is founded upon the belief that certain people have to be removed/oppressed.
B) The nazis had a goal to make multiple ethnic groups go extinct through genocide. Communist dictatorships mainly killed their own people, and mostly indirectly through very bad economic policies that led to starvation. Had the nazis won WW2, they would have also killed way more than communism did.

[KaidenOZ]

honestly the only difference between national socialism and communism is who they target. for the nazis it was jews, gypsis and other "unesireables", for communists it was the Bourgeoisie.

The part that troubles me is the misconception or intentional misdirection that the Nazi are/were a "far right" ideology. Both the nazi and the commi are both socially far left when it comes to social control and authoratarianism. Both oppress the goverend populace and both seek to punish, remove or destroy those that refuse to "toe the party line"

the main difference between them is economically, Communism is a fully state run and ownd operatis while national socialism tends to be a bit more right when it comes to the economay letting "non important" industry stay with the private sector under the provision that the state can nationalise anything if they deem it to be important. With that said, the Nazi style is far from a "free market" situation and lead to huge corruption and crony capitalism.


nothing from what i have read or researched would place the nazis to the right of center, Just not as far left as the communist/marxist.


Edit, and as for death tolls, let the record and history show that the combined failiers of communism has ended far more lives then the nazis. As far as genocide goes, Hitler did a ♥♥♥♥ job compared to Stalin or Mao.