Why is West Virginia part of Virginia in 1900s?

[coolrick92]

Pretty sure it's been a state since 1863...

[coolrick92]

Цитата допису Khan Charles:

Цитата допису coolrick92:

New England isn't a state though? How does this make the US more balanced?

Sorry, these were two different points, I should've been more clear. I mean, West Virginia and Virginia being in the same state probably helps to balance the game so that the US doesn't have too many slots for factories.

New England being a state in HoI4 (instead of Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine) helps to limit the amount of factories the US can build. If all these states were actual states in-game, the US could potentially have a lot more factories.

If it's a simulation (that you can alter) for WW2, wouldn't it make more sense to be historically accurate?

[Khan Charles]

Цитата допису coolrick92:

If it's a simulation (that you can alter) for WW2, wouldn't it make more sense to be historically accurate?

I don't think so, I think it would make more sense to keep it balanced. Besides, WV being part of VA doesn't really change the history of the game. And like I said, the provinces are set up so that you can create West Virginia if you were to mod the game, so that's not even an issue.

[Sir Texas Sir]

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Цитата допису bobk90:

West Virginian Illegally became a State after the Civil War, even though the Constitution states that a new state can not be carved out of a State!

It was also illegal to secede from the union. What's your point?

Actually it is not illegal to do so, just Lincoln couldn't let his pride go and the Union would been devastated with no cash crops to support them. They where mainly all industrial based while south was agricultural. In all honesty they needed each other at the time. Neither of them would of lasted long with out the other or some other nations support.

Цитата допису Mr-A-Fat-Man:

Цитата допису tacticalstats:

63 indeed. it isn't illegal per say. Takes a unanimous vote to pull it off. Good luck seeing that happen. California is semi trying it now but I doubt it will be pulled off.

depends on whether or not the country your Seceding from will let you, tends to lead to civil war.

Union could of let the South Seceded with no issues, but they didn't and which we all know lead to the American Civil War among many other facts too.

All states actually have the right to Secede (Texas isn't the only one as folks think) but it was changed where they had to get permission to do so. If your not given the permission than that is how wars break out.

As for the OP topic they are regional areas not actual states and country boundary.

[R.O.T.O.R.]

Цитата допису Sir Texas Sir:

Цитата допису coolrick92:

It was also illegal to secede from the union. What's your point?

Actually it is not illegal to do so, just Lincoln couldn't let his pride go and the Union would been devastated with no cash crops to support them. They where mainly all industrial based while south was agricultural. In all honesty they needed each other at the time. Neither of them would of lasted long with out the other or some other nations support.

Цитата допису Mr-A-Fat-Man:

depends on whether or not the country your Seceding from will let you, tends to lead to civil war.

Union could of let the South Seceded with no issues, but they didn't and which we all know lead to the American Civil War among many other facts too.

All states actually have the right to Secede (Texas isn't the only one as folks think) but it was changed where they had to get permission to do so. If your not given the permission than that is how wars break out.

As for the OP topic they are regional areas not actual states and country boundary.

States cannot legally secede from the union

[Khan Charles]

Article IV Section 3 of the US Constitution:[constitutionus.com]
"1: New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."

Does anyone know if West Virginia had permission from the Virginia legislature to become a state? Or does that even matter because Virginia was technically not part of the US at the time? I'm not making any claims, I'm just trying to help foster the conversation.

[Ricola!]

US would be op if it had 50 states though

[druebey]

This game is supposed to be a historically accurate portail of WW2... IE having the proper states and provinces/counties in the USA. YET they still messed up by not accounting for the USA having 50 states. Honestly they claim to want historical accuracy at the beginning but cant make the USA right or other nations. That in itself shoulda been your telling point of how this game was going to be created and developed... Cant wait for the FIX USA DLC, get proper states, focus trees, unit models, and maybe a naval overhaul at the same time, all for 25.99. Oh for bonus, we will add USA themed songs for the DLC too. maybe that will make it worthwhile for the USA players.

[R.O.T.O.R.]

Цитата допису druebey:

This game is supposed to be a historically accurate portail of WW2... IE having the proper states and provinces/counties in the USA. YET they still messed up by not accounting for the USA having 50 states. Honestly they claim to want historical accuracy at the beginning but cant make the USA right or other nations. That in itself shoulda been your telling point of how this game was going to be created and developed... Cant wait for the FIX USA DLC, get proper states, focus trees, unit models, and maybe a naval overhaul at the same time, all for 25.99. Oh for bonus, we will add USA themed songs for the DLC too. maybe that will make it worthwhile for the USA players.

honestly the states are the least of your concerns related to historical accurecy.

[druebey]

Цитата допису Mr-A-Fat-Man:

Цитата допису druebey:

This game is supposed to be a historically accurate portail of WW2... IE having the proper states and provinces/counties in the USA. YET they still messed up by not accounting for the USA having 50 states. Honestly they claim to want historical accuracy at the beginning but cant make the USA right or other nations. That in itself shoulda been your telling point of how this game was going to be created and developed... Cant wait for the FIX USA DLC, get proper states, focus trees, unit models, and maybe a naval overhaul at the same time, all for 25.99. Oh for bonus, we will add USA themed songs for the DLC too. maybe that will make it worthwhile for the USA players.

honestly the states are the least of your concerns related to historical accurecy.

very true, kidna funny that even Extra Credits on youtube did a stint about bad historical games not putting people int he shoes of the people they are playing... instead of decisions being dictated by situations, they are dictated by gamey mechanics, Sound familar?

[Hornblower]

Цитата допису bobk90:

West Virginian Illegally became a State after the Civil War, even though the Constitution states that a new state can not be carved out of a State!

West Virginia seceded from the Southern Confederacy on June 20, 1863 to join the Union, and was admitted as a legitimate state of the Union by the Lincoln admin. It wasn't leaving the union, but rather joining it after having seceded from Virginia, which was a Confederate state.

[Scotvince]

Цитата допису coolrick92:

Pretty sure it's been a state since 1863...

Because "States" in HOI IV are not all the time what we call "States" in reality.
If there are states in game in France, IRL, we don't have states. We have "regions", and they have politically nothing in common with what you (americans) call states.

[In the balls]

Цитата допису coolrick92:

Цитата допису Khan Charles:

Sorry, these were two different points, I should've been more clear. I mean, West Virginia and Virginia being in the same state probably helps to balance the game so that the US doesn't have too many slots for factories.

New England being a state in HoI4 (instead of Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine) helps to limit the amount of factories the US can build. If all these states were actual states in-game, the US could potentially have a lot more factories.

If it's a simulation (that you can alter) for WW2, wouldn't it make more sense to be historically accurate?

Uhm you know this ain't a historically accurate game? They have to buff/nerf certain nations to make the game balanced. Look at Japan. Way stronger than in RL but it's necessary otherwise they couldn't compete with the US in the Pacific

[☘♥♥♥♥♥♥Ireland]

Цитата допису coolrick92:

Цитата допису bobk90:

West Virginian Illegally became a State after the Civil War, even though the Constitution states that a new state can not be carved out of a State!

It was also illegal to secede from the union. What's your point?

At the time of the Civil War it was not illegal as the ruling by Supreme Court came later in 1869 (after the war) that unilateral secession was unconstitutional...Next time try some basic fact checking before opening thine cake hole.

[R.O.T.O.R.]

Цитата допису ☘️Tower H. | Civ 302:

Цитата допису coolrick92:

It was also illegal to secede from the union. What's your point?

At the time of the Civil War it was not illegal as the ruling by Supreme Court came later in 1869 (after the war) that unilateral secession was unconstitutional...Next time try some basic fact checking before opening thine cake hole.

uh no, please see Texas v. White
"In accepting original jurisdiction, the court ruled that, legally speaking, Texas had remained a United States state ever since it first joined the Union, despite its joining the Confederate States of America and its being under military rule at the time of the decision in the case. In deciding the merits of the bond issue, the court further held that the Constitution did not permit states to unilaterally secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null"."

[Quartet Ghost]

well today is the day with the most recent update we finally have mountain state in the game as its own location