(Dead Topic) Are carrier planes bugged or just usless?

[Sir Harlz]

EDIT: I am going to add in that planes were working great for me up unitl Death or Dishonor came out. So its possible this may be a glitch.

EDIT: General concensus is that aircraft are fine so its clearly something on my end. It's either a glitch or my fleets/me are doing something wrong.

I feel like navel air attack is usless I set my planes to do it and 99% of the time They attack....and hardly do any damange. If i have a bunch of carriers they will almost alawys fail to sink anything. Leaving it to the battlecruisers. 90% of the time the planes aren't even attacking anyway. I am not using bad planes either.

This is very annoying when you consinder that most major navel enangments, aircraft did most of the damange. Battleships because shore bombardment ships.

99% of enegmanets look like this (http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1108847515)

NOT. A. SINGLE. SHIP. SUNK. What is the point!?

[Positivity Slime~]

Does your carrier have naval bombers? Its useless to use Fighters on carriers as fighter will only attack enemy fighters or bombers if I recall right. Also you have to take account on the enemy fleet AA. Or maybe your aircraft did do damage but not enough to sunk ships by themself.

But if you do use naval bombers then it propably is a bug or enemy fleet has strong AA defense.

Can you screenshot your carriers compliment and your fleet composition.

[xScaramouchx]

In your screenshot, those naval bombers are attacking your transport ships, if you set your fleet to the escort stance they should fight against any attacks against your transports. For carrier based planes though you don't need to give them their own orders unless you are using them to support land based units. The carrier will automatically launch them when engaged in combat.

[Sir Harlz]

Originally posted by Eva Braun:

Does your carrier have naval bombers? Its useless to use Fighters on carriers as fighter will only attack enemy fighters or bombers if I recall right. Also you have to take account on the enemy fleet AA. Or maybe your aircraft did do damage but not enough to sunk ships by themself.

But if you do use naval bombers then it propably is a bug or enemy fleet has strong AA defense.

Can you screenshot your carriers compliment and your fleet composition.

I am out of game now but the carriers were 1936 tech. I had 20 fighters and 25 navel bombers on each carrier. The navel bombers were 1940 tech, fighters were 1942 tech. The AI did not have fighters attacking my bombers and their fleets consisted of battleships with a few DD. Almost zero cruisers for screening.

Either way, AA isn't very good. Look at ww2 navel battles, the amount of flak fire fleets could put out was insane, and aircraft STILL broke though and hit the ships. Aircraft are REALLY hard to shoot down with AA. Least they are suppose to be.

[Sir Harlz]

Originally posted by xScaramouchx:

In your screenshot, those naval bombers are attacking your transport ships, if you set your fleet to the escort stance they should fight against any attacks against your transports. For carrier based planes though you don't need to give them their own orders unless you are using them to support land based units. The carrier will automatically launch them when engaged in combat.

Did you read? The issue is about how navel bombing does pretty much zero damange.

Over one hundred bombers attacking merchant vessels...and they didn't sink a SINGLE one. The same thing happens to me all the time. Send hundreds of planes into battles and...NO RESULTS.

[Ваня]

On the flip side, I can't get by BBs or BCs to get a single kill when a carrier is in the fleet. The moment a CV is added to my fleet it gets all the kills for the rest of the game and maxes its experience level before I get around to check it.

[xScaramouchx]

Originally posted by Sir Harlz:

Originally posted by xScaramouchx:

In your screenshot, those naval bombers are attacking your transport ships, if you set your fleet to the escort stance they should fight against any attacks against your transports. For carrier based planes though you don't need to give them their own orders unless you are using them to support land based units. The carrier will automatically launch them when engaged in combat.

Did you read? The issue is about how navel bombing does pretty much zero damange.

I know. I am using it as a example. Over one hundred bombers attacking merchant vessels...and they didn't sink a SINGLE one. The same thing happens to me all the time. Send hundreds of planes into battles and...NO RESULTS.

Your rudeness is off-putting.

[happy]

naval.

thank you.

[Ryan]

There are many hidden things in the game which may not be apparent at first. First of all, carriers dominate naval battles even though these events don't seem like it. Each sea zone is a very large place, so intel is not good in WW2. Imagine your planes fanning out across the sea and a few of them spot the transports and engage. By radio they notify the other planes who fly over to engage for a few minutes before they have to return to refuel, and by then the transports are out of range. Hopefully this puts things i perspective.

From your screenshot it would appear nothing has happened. Actually, next time you see screens like this, mouse-over the enemy transports. You'll see a list of their health and damage taken. You'll see they did actually take damage, but in this instance not enough to sink the ships. The next time these transports enter combat, they will do so in a damaged state and have a greater chance of sinking.

Combat is occurring, that interface just doesn't show it. I have found that planes alone are not the best at sinking transports. If you had RADAR to be the spotter they would work much better.

Try this, switch to the "Planes" view. select the sea zone your planes are flying in. You'll see a screen that shows "Mission Efficiency" and "Air Detection." These factors determine how many planes will actually be able to engage the enemy ships. If your "Air Detection" is 2%, then only 3 planes out of your 150 would actually find and engage the ships.

Keep in mind these sea zones may be THOUSANDS of square miles, and you only have Line of Sight to find your target. It is literally a needle in a haystack scenario.

Hope this helps!

[Sir Harlz]

Originally posted by xScaramouchx:

Originally posted by Sir Harlz:

Did you read? The issue is about how navel bombing does pretty much zero damange.

I know. I am using it as a example. Over one hundred bombers attacking merchant vessels...and they didn't sink a SINGLE one. The same thing happens to me all the time. Send hundreds of planes into battles and...NO RESULTS.

Your rudeness is off-putting.

THe topic is how about how NAVAL bombers and NAVAL bombing in general does almost no damange. Making BB"s the best ship option ATM in my playthroughs. You talked about defending convoys and how to employ the bombers. I know how to use them, they just don't do very much, despite history saying otherwise.

[Sir Harlz]

Originally posted by Ryan:

There are many hidden things in the game which may not be apparent at first. First of all, carriers dominate naval battles even though these events don't seem like it. Each sea zone is a very large place, so intel is not good in WW2. Imagine your planes fanning out across the sea and a few of them spot the transports and engage. By radio they notify the other planes who fly over to engage for a few minutes before they have to return to refuel, and by then the transports are out of range. Hopefully this puts things i perspective.

From your screenshot it would appear nothing has happened. Actually, next time you see screens like this, mouse-over the enemy transports. You'll see a list of their health and damage taken. You'll see they did actually take damage, but in this instance not enough to sink the ships. The next time these transports enter combat, they will do so in a damaged state and have a greater chance of sinking.

Combat is occurring, that interface just doesn't show it. I have found that planes alone are not the best at sinking transports. If you had RADAR to be the spotter they would work much better.

Try this, switch to the "Planes" view. select the sea zone your planes are flying in. You'll see a screen that shows "Mission Efficiency" and "Air Detection." These factors determine how many planes will actually be able to engage the enemy ships. If your "Air Detection" is 2%, then only 3 planes out of your 150 would actually find and engage the ships.

Keep in mind these sea zones may be THOUSANDS of square miles, and you only have Line of Sight to find your target. It is literally a needle in a haystack scenario.

Hope this helps!

That can make sense for planes being put on a general navy strike order for an area. But for carrier planes that have no orders and automatically attack navy ships during an naval battle they should be doing some damange. The battle has started, the enemy fleet has aleady been located and is in the process of attacking you.

I am aware that most planes missed their targets. But only a few of them had to hit to do major damange. During midway, I beleive 20+ dive bombers attacked a carrier but only four hits were scored on the carrier. However those four hits disabled it so badly that the carrier had to be abandoned.

[Ryan]

Originally posted by Sir Harlz:

Originally posted by xScaramouchx:

Your rudeness is off-putting.

THe topic is how about how NAVAL bombers and NAVAL bombing in general does almost no damange. Making BB"s the best ship option ATM in my playthroughs. You talked about defending convoys and how to employ the bombers. I know how to use them, they just don't do very much, despite history saying otherwise.

I have found carriers way better than battleships. Naval battles can be over before ship contact is even made with 4 carriers in a fleet.

[Sir Harlz]

Originally posted by Ryan:

Originally posted by Sir Harlz:

THe topic is how about how NAVAL bombers and NAVAL bombing in general does almost no damange. Making BB"s the best ship option ATM in my playthroughs. You talked about defending convoys and how to employ the bombers. I know how to use them, they just don't do very much, despite history saying otherwise.

I have found carriers way better than battleships. Naval battles can be over before ship contact is even made with 4 carriers in a fleet.

Me too. This has been happening recently. IT use to be that if my carriers and bombers would destroy ships left and right. BUt than after death or dishonor was released they started acting strange.

THis might be just a glitch.

[Ryan]

I don't have any expansions, so I can't speak to that.

Next time your carrier planes are in a naval battle, you can mouse-over them and the enemy planes. The tooltip will show you which ships/planes they have damaged and by how much.

You can mouseover all kinds of battle windows in this game to get detailed info, but it's not always apparent. For example, on a land battle where you can see there are all kinds of buffs/debuffs on your forces.... you can mouseover your attack/defense numbers to see how they add up. Shore bombardment, CAS, encryption, etc, all show up there.

[glythe]

You seem kinda angry and I'm not going to type a long explanation if I think you will not appreciate the reply or the time I spent typing.

Read this post I made about navies and you will get a few tips.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/394360/discussions/0/1471967615880519722/

[profane]

By my experience land based naval bombers are unable to sink convoys, but can sink warships. On the other hand aircraft carriers dominate unless you operate your battleships in zones covered by your land based fighters.