Tips on How to Succeed playing Hungary as Austria-Hungary?

[aashhurst]

I've been trying to play HOI4 Hungary unsuccesfully. The problem is that regardless of Scenario, Historical or Non-Historical, the Germans always take the demand Sudentenland route n 1938 and it leads to a war Hungary can't win.

I've seen two "Lets Play" videos where it did not lead to war. The first was when the guy lucked into a conquest of Romania, and it's fascist population turned Austria-Hungary into Facist Austro-Hungary and he joined the Axis. The second was when, in a non-historical game, for some unidentified reason the Germans declared war on France after just sitting along the Austria-Hungary border for a year after demanding Sudentenland without declaring war when refused.

So, has anyone done a successful Austria-Hungary hold off against Germany and if so what was the research path and national focus chain to follow?

[qwert]

Build a crap ton of forts

[aashhurst]

Well, when you absorb Czechoslovakia you get all their Sudentenland forts. 5 of 10 slots plus 5 of 5 Anti-Air for Bohemia and 1 of 5 for Sudentenland. So 4 more AA for that. The only open spot is north Zaolzie which will need at least 5 forts and 5 AA. However, Austria has 10 border provinces that have to be built up, along with no AA.

Meanwhile you don't get that many military factories although they increase if you are successful in 1937 taking Austria and Czechoslovakia. Hungary Starts with 6 military, and 10 civilian factories. When you take Austria you get 4 more military and 9 civilian. Take Czechoslovakia and you get 15 civilian and 9 military.

Your military prouction and your civilian production are extremely limited by restrictions on manpower, and both civilian and military factory production thanks to the Treaty of Trianon restrictions until you can get the Bled agreement.

There is no point going for the Bled Agreement if you are trying to create Austria-Hungary until you meet all the national focus requirments to get both Austria and Czechoslovakia.

Soooo...thanks for the "advice" but I could use some real direction.

[Darkeng]

Go fascism and take Austria by force (they have small army AND this will immediately abolish the treaty on disarmament)

[aashhurst]

I appreciate the reply but I think you might have misunderstood the original question. Hungary can become the Austrian-Hungarian Empire if it goes down a certain chain of National Focus options. If you go Fascist you are going down a different lane.

[Pyo-N]

Originally posted by aashhurst:

I appreciate the reply but I think you might have misunderstood the original question. Hungary can become the Austrian-Hungarian Empire if it goes down a certain chain of National Focus options. If you go Fascist you are going down a different lane.

First option, fascist route, after you complete Protect Czech focus, flip to fascist, in that way Germany won't attack you.
Second, other than fascist, you just need to hold out until Germany declare war on Allies, you have mountain terrain in Austria and Czech forts, it's enough to hold out against Germany and Italy.

[BrigadierBill]

Originally posted by Hype4(4/28):

Originally posted by aashhurst:

I appreciate the reply but I think you might have misunderstood the original question. Hungary can become the Austrian-Hungarian Empire if it goes down a certain chain of National Focus options. If you go Fascist you are going down a different lane.

First option, fascist route, after you complete Protect Czech focus, flip to fascist, in that way Germany won't attack you.
Second, other than fascist, you just need to hold out until Germany declare war on Allies, you have mountain terrain in Austria and Czech forts, it's enough to hold out against Germany and Italy.

Going fascist is helpful anyways since if you win without being Fascist, you can't puppet anything anyways (which isn't too bad necessarily with Germany since the US, UK, and USSR all have wargoals against it; but it's still helpful to license-build all their tech for a bunch of 30% research boosts).

Otherwise, I am also curious what happens with German Czech tech tree if you cave and give away the Sudetenland (since the 1st Vienna Agreement gives Slovak land to Hungary, and Fate of Czechoslovakia has options to divide it with Hungary).

[AndreasWerbell]

Originally posted by BrigadierBill:

Originally posted by Hype4(4/28):

First option, fascist route, after you complete Protect Czech focus, flip to fascist, in that way Germany won't attack you.
Second, other than fascist, you just need to hold out until Germany declare war on Allies, you have mountain terrain in Austria and Czech forts, it's enough to hold out against Germany and Italy.

Going fascist is helpful anyways since if you win without being Fascist, you can't puppet anything anyways (which isn't too bad necessarily with Germany since the US, UK, and USSR all have wargoals against it; but it's still helpful to license-build all their tech for a bunch of 30% research boosts).

Otherwise, I am also curious what happens with German Czech tech tree if you cave and give away the Sudetenland (since the 1st Vienna Agreement gives Slovak land to Hungary, and Fate of Czechoslovakia has options to divide it with Hungary).

I know this thread is quite old, but in the off-chance someone stumbles upon it and wants an answer:
-If Czechoslovakia accepted your offer and allowed itself to be annexed, if Germany asks for Sudentenland, you can agree to part ways with it for now and they'll leave you alone afterwards (since the Fate of Czechoslovakia requires Czechoslovakia to exist, but Demand Sudentenland doesn't for some odd reason - I guess the devs decided that Hungary being able to take Austria would screw them over); you can always wait for them to go to war with the allies, justify a Retake Claimed State Wargoal, and then divide them from the south while they're busy with France..
-If, on the other hand, Czechoslovakia only agrees to become a puppet, it's best if you refuse their demands; if you accept, unless you REALLY quickly annex Czechoslovakia, they'll be able to carve up Czechoslovakia (you'll get Southern Slovakia, but that's it). I'd suggest fortifying your boarders mid-late '37, mainly because while Czechoslovakia's boarders are well fortified, Austria's are not.

[Maximus]

use spies to get a NAP with germany before you annex czech. this will prevent them from declaring on you. then keep a small army on their border so they cant break the NAP. then you just build up until you can take them or you join the axis (best way to join the axis is declare on poland the same time they do)

[Noobi]

Also going to revive this old thread once more.
It is possible to kinda break the AI here.

After annexing the Czech, prepare to flip fascist via a civil war, but dont start the war until after Germany demanded the Sudetenland. Deny them this to start a war with them. Then immediately start the civil war. This causes the War to move against the now monarchist-side, makes Germany invite you into the axis and essentially win the civil war for you, if you dont want to do anything.

Afterwards you get a peace-conference, in which Germany tends to give you the territory, in which the civil war spawned (should you not have enough points yourself).

Now you keep the Sudetenland, avoided a costly war and finished with all your other provinces and peace with Germany. Stay in the axis or leave and do whatever.

[homonikke]

Another late reply. I'm playing my first time as A-H and got Austria peacefully sometime in 38. Late -38 I tried to improve relations with the Czech but they only went to +15. I pushed for protect and somehow they accepted but simultaneously Germany took Sudetenland. Then I pushed for Romania and asked Germany to be a negotiator. The conference decided that I will not get Transylvania etc and then I chose to attack causing a war against the Allies. Soon Germany attacked Poland and was too in a war with the Allies. I pushed for my Polish claims and declared a war and soon later Germany invited me to Axis even though I'm not fascist :D this went pretty well after all since all I wanted to do was to expand and get to Axis but didn't think it would have been possible as I was not fascist

[ToddB]

> it leads to a war Hungary can't win

orly?

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