Estimated Total US Manpower?

[WhoPurrsWins]

So, I managed to pull off a daring landing in Canada and the US unleashed the fury of its 250 Divisions upon my poor Germans. So, I did the only reasonable thing and dug in, so now my question. How many losses would the US have to sustain before its Manpower collapses?

[Алзксі Венс]

Originally posted by WhoPurrsWins:

So, I managed to pull off a daring landing in Canada and the US unleashed the fury of its 250 Divisions upon my poor Germans. So, I did the only reasonable thing and dug in, so now my question. How many losses would the US have to sustain before its Manpower collapses?

With expanded conscription laws the numbers are probably in the 10s of millions.

[Zeno]

Originally posted by WhoPurrsWins:

So, I managed to pull off a daring landing in Canada and the US unleashed the fury of its 250 Divisions upon my poor Germans. So, I did the only reasonable thing and dug in, so now my question. How many losses would the US have to sustain before its Manpower collapses?

Nobody can tell, however, your troops will have a lower moral.

[WhoPurrsWins]

So... Invading the US seems like a bad idea? How else can you defeat it though unless you actually land in the mainland?

[zacharyb]

A lot, probably around 20 million or so. Just as a comparison, at the end of World War 2, the US had over 12 million men and women in the armed forces.

You're better off just reinforcing your North American Army, make about 20 divisions of heavy/medium/modern tanks with mechanized infantry, 6 tanks and 4 mechanized infantry for a total 20 combat width, and if you're still using the Mobile Warfare Doctrine, those tank divisions should be able to break through the American lines. You don't have to take a whole bunch of land each thrust, just as long as you're moving forward you'll eventually win.

Worst comes to worst you could always use atomic bombs, or invade the US through South America.

[WhoPurrsWins]

I might have to try and do that. For now I built up forts, AA, Ports and Airfields, just to keep my corner as secure as possible.

I may also try and start/cause a Coup in the US, which will, hopefully, cause some chaos in the ranks. If that works I could rush in a few hundred divisions over from Europe and hope that does the trick.

It is so frustratingly difficult to Invade the US when it's just them left. Making a landing anywhere is a miracle, holding it and then supplying the invasion? About as hard.

In this playthrough I managed to Conquer the Soviets, UK, France, and most of Europe before 1943, which I was especially proud of. But after the "War" the ♥♥♥♥ called for a war against the US and I joined in... And now I am stuck in this horrible swamp.

[BlackSmoke 🏴‍☠]

Originally posted by WhoPurrsWins:

So... Invading the US seems like a bad idea? How else can you defeat it though unless you actually land in the mainland?

Naval invading from Northern Bahamas to both ports (East/West) Florida (It's like I use to do it).
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=863631288

[zacharyb]

Which part of Canada did you invade?

Since you already conquered the USSR and the UK, and i'm assuming Denmark also, you could launch another invasion from the Russian Far East to Alaska, or from Greenland to Canada. Since you said you're trying to keep your corner secure, it might help to make another front on the opposite side of Canada. And invading from Russia or Greenland is a lot easier because it's not that long of an invasion route.

[WhoPurrsWins]

I landed at Nova Scotia from Newfoundland. Currently managed to (somehow) push into New England and Saint Lawrence. It's a brutal battle for every inch of soil though.

Opening an Alaska front could work, however I am not sure just how many divisions the US still has in other areas of the mainland.

[BlackSmoke 🏴‍☠]

Originally posted by zacharyb:

Which part of Canada did you invade?

Since you already conquered the USSR and the UK, and i'm assuming Denmark also, you could launch another invasion from the Russian Far East to Alaska, or from Greenland to Canada. Since you said you're trying to keep your corner secure, it might help to make another front on the opposite side of Canada. And invading from Russia or Greenland is a lot easier because it's not that long of an invasion route.

Having annexed UK you have 3 UK ports in Northern Bahamas. There are 4 ports in Florida (one of them 50 capacity), a victory point and enough infrastructure level (4/10). Surrounding areas are 5/10 and 6/10, and there are another 5 ports to receive supplys close enough to seize them in a few days. A well planned naval invasion on Florida it's much better and faster than attacking from the North.

Infrastructure level in Labrador and surrounding areas it's only 1/10, only two ports and they are only 10 capacity. Alaska it's also terrible. Much easier and faster invading from south (3 months campaign and USA/Canada ends).

[BlackSmoke 🏴‍☠]

Originally posted by WhoPurrsWins:

I landed at Nova Scotia from Newfoundland. Currently managed to (somehow) push into New England and Saint Lawrence. It's a brutal battle for every inch of soil though.

Opening an Alaska front could work, however I am not sure just how many divisions the US still has in other areas of the mainland.

Of course: "It's a brutal battle for every inch of soil though"

Advance from south it's much faster (better supplies/infrastructures).
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=863649442

[zacharyb]

Originally posted by BlackSmoke:

Originally posted by zacharyb:

Which part of Canada did you invade?

Since you already conquered the USSR and the UK, and i'm assuming Denmark also, you could launch another invasion from the Russian Far East to Alaska, or from Greenland to Canada. Since you said you're trying to keep your corner secure, it might help to make another front on the opposite side of Canada. And invading from Russia or Greenland is a lot easier because it's not that long of an invasion route.

Having annexed UK you have 3 UK ports in Northern Bahamas. There are 4 ports in Florida (one of them 50 capacity), a victory point and enough infrastructure level (4/10). Surrounding areas are 5/10 and 6/10, and there are another 5 ports to receive supplys close enough to seize them in a few days. A well planned naval invasion on Florida it's much better and faster than attacking from the North.

Infrastructure level in Labrador and surrounding areas it's only 1/10, only two ports and they are only 10 capacity. Alaska it's also terrible. Much easier and faster invading from south (3 months campaign and USA/Canada ends).

The reason I'm not suggesting a naval invasion from the south is because I don't know if he actually has the English Caribbean Islands under his control or not, plus he doesn't have naval superiority otherwise the invasion part wouldn't be difficult.

Alaska's infastructure is terrible but you can still get it to support a small army, which will help split the US's forces up, plus you can also use Alaska as a springboard to invade the west coast. Also the more divisions he has and can support on the North American mainland the better, on top of that multiple fronts really hurts the AI's decision making.

[BlackSmoke 🏴‍☠]

Originally posted by zacharyb:

Originally posted by BlackSmoke:

Having annexed UK you have 3 UK ports in Northern Bahamas. There are 4 ports in Florida (one of them 50 capacity), a victory point and enough infrastructure level (4/10). Surrounding areas are 5/10 and 6/10, and there are another 5 ports to receive supplys close enough to seize them in a few days. A well planned naval invasion on Florida it's much better and faster than attacking from the North.

Infrastructure level in Labrador and surrounding areas it's only 1/10, only two ports and they are only 10 capacity. Alaska it's also terrible. Much easier and faster invading from south (3 months campaign and USA/Canada ends).

The reason I'm not suggesting a naval invasion from the south is because I don't know if he actually has the English Caribbean Islands under his control or not, plus he doesn't have naval superiority otherwise the invasion part wouldn't be difficult.

Alaska's infastructure is terrible but you can still get it to support a small army, which will help split the US's forces up, plus you can also use Alaska as a springboard to invade the west coast. Also the more divisions he has and can support on the North American mainland the better, on top of that multiple fronts really hurts the AI's decision making.

Originally posted by WhoPurrsWins:

In this playthrough I managed to Conquer the Soviets, UK, France, and most of Europe before 1943, which I was especially proud of. But after the "War" the ♥♥♥♥ called for a war against the US and I joined in... And now I am stuck in this horrible swamp.

I supposed he owns UK colonies.

[WhoPurrsWins]

It's alright. Thanks for the tips guys. I followed the suggestion of striking from the South. That caused a split in the US forces, and at a critical moment for them too, because they ran out of good equipment.

Everything collapsed around me, as the Panzers advanced forth!

Now... only South Africa and Brazil remain.

[BlackSmoke 🏴‍☠]

Originally posted by {HakI}writerx_01:

It's alright. Thanks for the tips guys. I followed the suggestion of striking from the South. That caused a split in the US forces, and at a critical moment for them too, because they ran out of good equipment.

Everything collapsed around me, as the Panzers advanced forth!

Now... only South Africa and Brazil remain.

Having Brasil as a target just make a front with not too much forces to keep them busy in Amazonas. Then all simultenously naval invasions (depending on your level: transport ship, landing craft, adv. landing craft) in all port along brazilian coast and they will collapse in a few days or weeks. There are 6 ports, if you can afford 6 simultaneous invasions with 5 divisions each one (landing craft tech. required) they will fall easily. Otherwise attacking through Amazonas will take a lot of time. Naval invasion can be done from Suriname or French Guyana, or Trinidad, Winward Islands, or from any of the british/french colonies in the Caribbean.

[Antonio Margheriti]

I was going to bring something up (too late as the US already fell) but anyways:
In my game as Germany I completely kicked all the Allies out of Europe and took all of Russia so I didn't have to worry anymore.
I took all of Greenland with ease and deployed a ton of marines into Greenland so they can be ready to strike Newfoundland.
My game didnt get further as I gave up from the slow speeds, it took literally forever to do anything because at that point it was a waiting game.
Anyway my plan was to build infrustructure in Greenland and build infrastructure in Newfoundland and a huge airbase so I could launch massive airraids on the east coast of the US, and nuke the east coast to nothingness with bombers supported by literally thousands of Bf-109's complete with non nuclear bombing raids from the other planes in my stockpiles.

Then after the US got completely weakened if they didn't capitulate I would also send my whole navy to the east coast and launch a massive amphibious invasion and let the rest of my forces pour into the US.

I'm sad I didn't see my plan realised but I liked the idea of it.