X4 hard crashes my 7800X3D + 7900XTX system

[arc_triangle]

Having bought the latest DLC I have found that more often than not, when loading a game X4 hard crashes (black screens) my 7800X3D + 7900XTX system.

My system runs 24/7 and not another single game in my steam library gives me any problem , nor do I have any problems with any other application running on my system.

It is only X4.

***UPDATE***

I put my 7950X back into my system again and X4 loads games perfectly normally.

This should be proof that the game has a problem with the 7800X3D

[facciola007]

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[rubyismycat]

It is only x 4 my friend i can run cyberpunk on max settings flawlessly sometimes this game just crashes although this game has been out for years it seems that only now are the devs focusing on bug fixes and optimisation and they have a very very long way still to go if they want to bring this game up to even todays piss poor industry standards but they are working on it.

[Laserak]

I don't get black screens, but I've been having crashes since 6.0. (Oddly, didn't have this issue in BETA....) 5800x3d + 6900xt. (All drivers updated)

[wildblu]

When in doubt, verify integrity of the game files on Steam. It's possible that one of the game files has gotten corrupted.
https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/0C48-FCBD-DA71-93EB

[jhickinbotham]

I had trouble in the Avarice system all the time with reboots. Turned off Screen Space Reflections and Reflection Probes in the graphics settings and that solved my problem. Sent a bug report off to AMD (7900XTX).

[arc_triangle]

wildblu님이 먼저 게시:

When in doubt, verify integrity of the game files on Steam. It's possible that one of the game files has gotten corrupted.
https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/0C48-FCBD-DA71-93EB

Not only did I do that, but afterwards I uninstalled and reinstalled the game, then I cleared out the Virtual Memory.

The game only crashes with basically a system reset when I load a save or start a new game.

Once the game loads the save or a new game starts there isn't a problem although it can take up to five or six tries.

I have played X4 for over 3,500 hours and have never experienced anything like this (CTDs yes, but a hard reset no) before.

There are also no entries in the Event Viewer indicating what the problem could be.

[Zloth]

Have you tried the tech support forum on Egosoft's website?

[Irushian]

How old is your BIOS? I'm wondering about your voltages triggering any current protections. (Ignore if you do not have EXPO enabled).

I run an 7800X3D as well, but with the 6950XT and I do not have any issues on my end.

[arc_triangle]

Irushian님이 먼저 게시:

How old is your BIOS? I'm wondering about your voltages triggering any current protections. (Ignore if you do not have EXPO enabled).

I run an 7800X3D as well, but with the 6950XT and I do not have any issues on my end.

I will answer your question this way.

I have written a guide on how to configure the 7800X3D which is used by people in the AMD Ryzen hardware development. I personally know one of the people who work in that team.

Here is the link to the guide if you are interested and it will answer all the questions you posed AND the ones you didn't :D

https://community.amd.com/t5/processors/how-to-optimally-configure-the-ryzen-7800x3d/td-p/604876

The only motherboards that have problems are ASUS motherboards and that has nothing to do with EXPO because EXPO does not set the VDDCR SOC voltage (that is set by the motherboard) and mine is set to 1.25 Volts.

Have fun with the guide

[Set-115689]

Try underclocking your gpu with msi afterburner. Decrease memory and core clocks and the power limit (80%?) if you get system resets or black screens? can try removing cpu overclocks also.

[ites]

arc_triangle, he didn't tell you everything, then and/or you may be mixing some things up here.
there are potentially faulty ryzen7000X3D series in the wild. basically all mainboard manufacturers are currently releasing bios updates to limit soc voltage for overclockers/fix expo. expo is the culprit of the whole problem since it burned several mainboards allready.

expo is just another overclocking profile for ddr5 thus i assume it works like xmp or whatever. all of them raise soc voltage slightly, possibly for the cpu's memory controller.
ram overclocking profiles increase ram frequency and timings; your cpu can operate faster; higher performance requires more watts. which you get by either increasing amps or voltage or both - for both.

[Set-115689]

ites님이 먼저 게시:

arc_triangle, he didn't tell you everything, then and/or you may be mixing some things up here.
there are potentially faulty ryzen7000X3D series in the wild. basically all mainboard manufacturers are currently releasing bios updates to limit soc voltage for overclockers/fix expo. expo is the culprit of the whole problem since it burned several mainboards allready.

expo is just another overclocking profile for ddr5 thus i assume it works like xmp or whatever. all of them raise soc voltage slightly, possibly for the cpu's memory controller.
ram overclocking profiles increase ram frequency and timings; your cpu can operate faster; higher performance requires more watts. which you get by either increasing amps or voltage or both - for both.

amd overvoltage issue

https://youtu.be/kiTngvvD5dI?t=1581

[arc_triangle]

ites님이 먼저 게시:

arc_triangle, he didn't tell you everything, then and/or you may be mixing some things up here.
there are potentially faulty ryzen7000X3D series in the wild. basically all mainboard manufacturers are currently releasing bios updates to limit soc voltage for overclockers/fix expo. expo is the culprit of the whole problem since it burned several mainboards allready.

expo is just another overclocking profile for ddr5 thus i assume it works like xmp or whatever. all of them raise soc voltage slightly, possibly for the cpu's memory controller.
ram overclocking profiles increase ram frequency and timings; your cpu can operate faster; higher performance requires more watts. which you get by either increasing amps or voltage or both - for both.

NO!

Neither EXPO nor XMP raise the VDDCR SOC voltage in their profiles.

The motherboard BIOS raises that voltage in reaction to the data rate of the RAM being raised to ensure stability. This is normal.

What is NOT normal is ASUS raising the voltage to a point where it damages the chip due to oxide breakdown.

The maximum save voltage for 7nm is 1.3 Volts and for 5 nm is 1.2 Volts (so-called "6nm is a refined version of 7nm and thus the 1.3 Volt limit applies there and the I/O die of Ryzen 5th Gen (7000 series, Zen4) is 6nm.

All electronics can fail when new (google "Bathtub Curve"). In this case however there is no evidence of the 7800X3D being faulty and 100% evidence of ASUS - and ASUS alone -being at fault, because no other motherboard BIOS raises the VDDCR SOC voltage so high in the CPU.

This is not the first time that ASUS has played this game, not too long ago ASUS motherboards were failing due to them putting a chip on their Intel Z690 boards but pointing fingers all over the place until Buildzoid rubbed their noses in the mess they had made.

[arc_triangle]

Set-115689님이 먼저 게시:

Try underclocking your gpu with msi afterburner. Decrease memory and core clocks and the power limit (80%?) if you get system resets or black screens? can try removing cpu overclocks also.

Afterburner? Really? You mean use software that has not been updated for over a year because MSI has not paid the author of the Software for a GPU that came out in December??

Aside from anything else Afterburner is far inferior to Adrenalin for configuring AMD 6000 or 7000 series.

The only reason why Afterburner exists is because Nvidia does not supply a tool for configuring their GPUs.

The only thing that is useful with regard to Afterburner for AMD GPUs is Riva Tuner.

[arc_triangle]

Set-115689님이 먼저 게시:

ites님이 먼저 게시:

arc_triangle, he didn't tell you everything, then and/or you may be mixing some things up here.
there are potentially faulty ryzen7000X3D series in the wild. basically all mainboard manufacturers are currently releasing bios updates to limit soc voltage for overclockers/fix expo. expo is the culprit of the whole problem since it burned several mainboards allready.

expo is just another overclocking profile for ddr5 thus i assume it works like xmp or whatever. all of them raise soc voltage slightly, possibly for the cpu's memory controller.
ram overclocking profiles increase ram frequency and timings; your cpu can operate faster; higher performance requires more watts. which you get by either increasing amps or voltage or both - for both.

amd overvoltage issue

https://youtu.be/kiTngvvD5dI?t=1581

You obviously have not watched the this video from Gamers Nexus:
https://youtu.be/cbGfc-JBxlY

Where the title of the video pretty much says it all.