How to salvage?

[Dracon]

So I have a station with a Scrap processor and a recycler in mercury and 4 tug boats set to scrap for commander.

The restriction says that they are only allowed to be active in Mercury, Venus, Mar,s Atseroid belt, and Getsu Fune


All of them are set to use the space stations settings, however they never go over to Getsu Fune to get any scrap or even Xenon wrecks despite there being a ton around and even within satellite range.

They only say : No usable wrecks or scrap found in range


What exactly is wrong with my setup here? My miners are set up like that too, and they do work...

[Kalisa]

they should get the very small wrecks like N's and M's hard to tell though without screenshots, if its anything biggger, or actual scrap that spawns in sector, then you need a tueta ship to break down the larger peices into scrap cubes that the tugs can haul.
Also does the station have a high enough level manager to reach getsu fune?

[Foodoman]

Mercury might be too far from the proper sectors. Also, it could be you don't have resource probs set up in the proper sectors.

[Dracon]

At least one of my resources probes says that there is raw scrap, and they work fine if I manually tell them to get an M/S class wreck, and they even bring it back to the station is Mercury.
The rest is covered with satellites. (For the wrecks).
I picked Mercury because I needed a space that isn't Avarice, but has more than enough energy. It's even a rather costy station :/

Edit: Ok now it says station not equipped to process scrap... It does have the facilities though... the game even recognizes it as a scrap processing factory.

[ArcticISAF]

Probably would have been better to keep the facility in Getsu Fune/Asteroid Belt (Asteroid Belt is my pick) and then have a solar plant in Mercury, ship the energy cells over. That's how I have my factory in the asteroid belt set up. Mercury to Getsu Fune is 4 jumps for your salvagers to go so you'd need a 4 star Manager in order for them to make the salvage (automatically anyway). That's my guess that you don't have the manager skills up.

[Dracon]

Originally posted by ArcticISAF:

Probably would have been better to keep the facility in Getsu Fune/Asteroid Belt (Asteroid Belt is my pick) and then have a solar plant in Mercury, ship the energy cells over. That's how I have my factory in the asteroid belt set up. Mercury to Getsu Fune is 4 jumps for your salvagers to go so you'd need a 4 star Manager in order for them to make the salvage (automatically anyway). That's my guess that you don't have the manager skills up.

The Manager is indeed not that skilled.... Which level do I need for the amount of jumps?
The factory is already set up now.

[ArcticISAF]

4 stars :D
And remember it's a combo of morale and the manager skill (morale being less important but still a factor).

[Dracon]

Thanks. And I just realized what the second problem is... Apparently scrap needs solid storage rather than containers.

[Zane87]

Originally posted by Dracon:

So I have a station with a Scrap processor and a recycler in mercury and 4 tug boats set to scrap for commander.

The restriction says that they are only allowed to be active in Mercury, Venus, Mar,s Atseroid belt, and Getsu Fune


All of them are set to use the space stations settings, however they never go over to Getsu Fune to get any scrap or even Xenon wrecks despite there being a ton around and even within satellite range.

They only say : No usable wrecks or scrap found in range


What exactly is wrong with my setup here? My miners are set up like that too, and they do work...

First of all: please read Scrappys guide on scrap if not already done though. It still is fantastic and covers everything you need to know:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2810269037

Second, there are two different ships for two different jobs.
Tugs (Manticores, the ones you have) will pull up all derelict S and M ships and all Scrap Cubes (See below) to your Scrap Processing stations so that raw scrap can be processed.

Teutas is the second type, it doesn't tow anything but is the only ship able to transform raw scrap wrecks in sectors like Getsu Fune or less natural occuring L/XL wrecks (like your occasional deaded Xenon Capital) into scrap cubes which then can be towed by your Tugs.
You need Teutas as well for raw scrap sectors in almost all cases.

Third, Manticores as per above are your main haulers. But, unlike miners or traders, they absolutely suck on longer distances. You do NOT want your manitcores haul more than one sector on average, they take an insufferable amount of time for their worth.
Instead, try to build scrap processors on-site in sectors with natural scrap/natural Xenon spawns (like a convenient gate connection to a Xenon Sector, Getsu Fune says hi both times).

Scrap Processors do not profit from workforce and while their energy cost is high, it only is ~1/4th of the energy cost of the scrap recycler. Thus, separate the chain, process on site and then haul it to a centralized scrap recycler, it does save you a ton of headaches. Trust me, I have one central recycling station with 120 scrap recyclers and 20 terran recyclers in avarice - I do know my scrap.

Fourth: The bugs. Teutas are great. But in many sectors they are buggy as hell with regards to natural occuring scrap. They will not find scrap to convert to cubes if the player is not IS and pointing them at the scrap.
This sucks. And as much as I like Egosoft, they have not fixed this since 5.0 and I want to throw smear words at them for that.
Getsu Fune is, unfortunately, such a sector. Because of that, I cannot recommend most scrap sectors aside of Windfall IV and very few others (like Heretics End or Ocean of Fantasy) for heavy use of Teutas and natural scrap processing. What a waste...

Instead, use your friendly neighbourhood Xenon to supply you instead. Gate defenses and scrap processors are a perfect match, and supply both your Tugs and your Teutas with a ton of scrap you then can conveniently use on site. Then ship it with solid miners to your scrap recyclers in a high sun sector for the win.

Just remember that only a subset of modules can make use of the closed loop build method whcih tremendously simplifies the chain to just engergy cells, hull parts and claytronics - the stuff you recycle.

[Dracon]

My towers can't even use the processor for some reason, they just don't throw the wrecks in there.

[Kalisa]

its also a scrap processor right, with a deposit location, not a recycler, processers take scrap the tugs bring in and turn it into scrap metal, scrap metal is then used by the recyclers to make goods.
Also scrap that you see in the resource menu for sectors requires a tuta to process into cubes, otherwise the manticore tugs can only haul s and M ship wrecks.
Solid storage is required for both the raw scrap, and scrap metal.

[Dracon]

Originally posted by Kalisa:

its also a scrap processor right, with a deposit location, not a recycler, processers take scrap the tugs bring in and turn it into scrap metal, scrap metal is then used by the recyclers to make goods.
Also scrap that you see in the resource menu for sectors requires a tuta to process into cubes, otherwise the manticore tugs can only haul s and M ship wrecks.
Solid storage is required for both the raw scrap, and scrap metal.

The station has both. And all the wrecks were M.

[Kalisa]

Originally posted by Dracon:

Originally posted by Kalisa:

its also a scrap processor right, with a deposit location, not a recycler, processers take scrap the tugs bring in and turn it into scrap metal, scrap metal is then used by the recyclers to make goods.
Also scrap that you see in the resource menu for sectors requires a tuta to process into cubes, otherwise the manticore tugs can only haul s and M ship wrecks.
Solid storage is required for both the raw scrap, and scrap metal.

The station has both. And all the wrecks were M.

But it sounds like u found the issue in the manager level right? each level of manager increases range of a station by 1
It also sounds like u were using resource probes or using the sector information on scrap, thats the scrap im refering to that tugs generally cant haul without being processed into cubes

[Dracon]

Originally posted by Kalisa:

Originally posted by Dracon:

The station has both. And all the wrecks were M.

But it sounds like u found the issue in the manager level right? each level of manager increases range of a station by 1
It also sounds like u were using resource probes or using the sector information on scrap, thats the scrap im refering to that tugs generally cant haul without being processed into cubes

Aye half the issue got solved. the other one only came up now that I manually ordered the boats to tug scrap there. I already thought that maybe it also needs tug tractors, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Edit: Ok it might be that it can't scrap Khaak ships...

[Tommytools]

Originally posted by Dracon:

Edit: Ok it might be that it can't scrap Khaak ships...

You can't, Kha'ak wrecks have 0 scrap value :)