Factions not expanding/conquering sectors?

[Maniac]

I used a mod which gave 90% of the universe to the xenon so the factions only have a few sectors left, i cleared some sectors now from xenon but it seems like the factions dont take the empty sectors.
Is this normal?

[Wraith]

definitely not.

only a few sector are banned from being expanded on so something definitely up

[eMYNOCK]

I don't know how much time has to pass for factions to claim neutral neighboring space but they should definitively do it.

[🎮 PalkoVvodets 🔑]

Factions like to play autistic when they are narrowed down to a few sectors. The less the worse.
I presume their will to expand depend on their military+civilian fleet + amount/quality of stations. The best bet is to build own Shipyard/Wharf and flood the faction with ships. But even at this case it may require a lot of time for them to build enough stations and gain more ships from you than they lose to Xenon or other enemies during suicide trespassing.

[Maniac]

Seems like Hat and Vig dont take sectors and ARG and ANT just take a very long time.
Had the game running on SETA now for 2 hours and both finally took a sector back they have lost before.

[DrwHem]

ive been only selling ships to the zyarth split faction, after helping them win the civil war and they are still barely holding on. its a bit annoying and im getting bored lol especially since the Xenon are not a threat at all.

[eMYNOCK]

Originally posted by Maniac:

Seems like Hat and Vig dont take sectors and ARG and ANT just take a very long time.
Had the game running on SETA now for 2 hours and both finally took a sector back they have lost before.

HAT and vigor are, for some reason, content with what they have.
on the other hand, they both are technically pirates and do not have traditional military power they could/would project into another system.

means basically, they have the invasion and expansion logic active but don't use it for reasons noone was able to explain to me.

if its economical strength you want to improve for the factions.. noone forces you to build admin stations in neutral space.. feeder stations to get their shipyards into overdrive and provide enough building materials usually do not need that.

if you want to provide ships through your own shipbuilders however... be cautious were you build those, the S/M, L and XL builder cradles have claiming abilities.

[🎮 PalkoVvodets 🔑]

I saw messages stating HAT and VIG are expanding. Tried it with HAT but no luck, they are completely ignorant to free sectors around. As for VIG they are eager to expand in their former sectors for sure.

Expanding seems might be straightly forbidden by intended restriction. E.g. RIP will claim any neutral sector in Avarice, but will never expand in adjacent neutral Windfall.

[eMYNOCK]

don't confuse simply rebuilding in their... in lack of words... ancestral lands with actively laying claim or straight up invading and occupying foreign territory.

as said, they don't have anything in place that would forbid them from doing so.. they just don't do it for some reason i don't know.

[Wolfsblut]

if they cant build up. it might be proably mostly due to lack of something. the ai is basically just scripts in x4 as far as i got it from an mod in steam.

dont exspect anything bright or brain storming from them unless you support them.. like have a station each sector to support anyone who might needs your stuff sold to them.

in my 8th universe everyone will just rebuild as fast as they can. this means my stations are working very well.

[🎮 PalkoVvodets 🔑]

Originally posted by eMYNOCK:

don't confuse simply rebuilding in their... in lack of words... ancestral lands with actively laying claim or straight up invading and occupying foreign territory.

The HAT/VIG reference was about foreign sectors. For example, HAT expanded in Morning star and Heretic's end after the latter one was abandoned by the player.

Originally posted by eMYNOCK:

as said, they don't have anything in place that would forbid them from doing so.. they just don't do it for some reason i don't know.

Given there are no clues related to the issue within known scripts and we leave witchcraft out then there should be something in the engine itself.

[eMYNOCK]

i still call it witchcraft because there is literally nothing in place that would prevent them in a vanilla game.

but how often have you cleared tharkas cascade and left it unoccupied in the hopes that eventually HAT would decide to move in?

[Frienby]

I've noticed the AI get very defensive when they get beat up a bit or have little resources. They "play it safe" and do not expand to claim more resources. OTOH, if they are doing well, then they expand and take more. The paranid factions show this off the most. HAT only has 1 sector, so my guess it's that tendency on overdrive. Does HAT even have the ability to build wharf/ shipyards?

[🎮 PalkoVvodets 🔑]

Originally posted by eMYNOCK:

but how often have you cleared tharkas cascade and left it unoccupied in the hopes that eventually HAT would decide to move in?

Never. First of all, ZYA/RHA will win the sector expand competition, because I always protect them asap. Secondly, the moment I decide to wipe out Tharka I'm warmongering Argon-to-Split border and HAT is a variable to exclude from the equation if it hasn't lost the sector beforehand.

All my experiments are for neutral sector HAT got ownership after their Trade station reconstructed. HAT doesn't expand into free sectors other factions kindly left after my Asgard envoys asked for.

[fade7777]

I just built a defense station for HAT in silent witness XI from a mission I got there and HAT now controls that sector.

[eMYNOCK]

i already mentioned that you can build for them but they will never, except their trade station if it ever gets destroyed, build admin structures on their own