Asgard Main weapon help

[Rogue]

Sorry I know this must have been done to death, but:

Use against Capital ships?

Should I use Bombard?

Can not seem to get the AI to use it, even with me planning their route for them OOS.

[Cellar_Cat]

Ships larger than M are not good at lining up primary weapons on a moving target. They will try, they just often fail. Asgard is more cumbersome than most so it's even worse. And when it does fire it will be very infrequent because it keeps firing the L weapons too and it takes forever for the XL to cool down (I often don't even give them L weapons for this reason).

If you want to use it against capitals best to focus on giving it plasma or dumbfire turrets and don't count on the XL beam hitting anything in high attention.

[Rogue]

Originally posted by Cellar_Cat:

Ships larger than M are not good at lining up primary weapons on a moving target. They will try, they just often fail. Asgard is more cumbersome than most so it's even worse. And when it does fire it will be very infrequent because it keeps firing the L weapons too and it takes forever for the XL to cool down (I often don't even give them L weapons for this reason).

If you want to use it against capitals best to focus on giving it plasma or dumbfire turrets and don't count on the XL beam hitting anything in high attention.

Ok thank you! Its a great weapon when I drive it :D

Cheers mate!

[Doom]

Originally posted by Rogue:

Sorry I know this must have been done to death, but:

Use against Capital ships?

Should I use Bombard?

Can not seem to get the AI to use it, even with me planning their route for them OOS.

AI has difficulty using it in general, and fires it at stations. I've seen AI vaporize a K with it, but that was a rare thing. AI asgard is most useful as flying turret platform. Load it with terran lasers for anti-fighter loadout, or with plasma if you want a bomber. You can mix too.

[Rogue]

Originally posted by Doom:

Originally posted by Rogue:

Sorry I know this must have been done to death, but:

Use against Capital ships?

Should I use Bombard?

Can not seem to get the AI to use it, even with me planning their route for them OOS.

AI has difficulty using it in general, and fires it at stations. I've seen AI vaporize a K with it, but that was a rare thing. AI asgard is most useful as flying turret platform. Load it with terran lasers for anti-fighter loadout, or with plasma if you want a bomber. You can mix too.

Thanks mate, currently I am mixing weapons

[Mowglia]

Bombard would seem the logical choice for stations, right?

Except that's not what Bombard does. From memory, Bombard is the equivalent of Intercept but for larger ships (L+). So if you order them to Bombard a station they'll probably just sit there doing nothing.

If the AI is flying the Asgard then I've only ever seen it use the ATF Main Battery against stations, and even then it's not consistent. Just use a regular Attack order for this, and keep an eye on them to make sure the AI doesn't get too close to the station. Turning "Boost" off inside the Attack order submenu after the order has been given can help with this (under Ship Behaviour I think).

So how you use an Asgard depends on context. Personally I always use the same loadouts to keep things simple.

All large turrets are (HOP or PAR) Plasma set to Attack Only Capitals, and all medium turrets are (ARG) Flak set to Attack Only Fighters.

Then if the fleet is designed for attacking stations, I only use Asgards. And if the fleet is designed for attacking ships, or defending, I have 3 destroyers Defending each Asgard (and a Sapporo following the fleet leader for the 80km radar range).

This way I can swap Asgards around on the fly (between fleets), or add any Asgard to any fleet, and never have to worry about the loadout or settings.

If you want to micromanage more than this then no doubt you could find better anti-capital and anti-fighter loadouts, but they'll pretty much vaporise anything in bunches of 5, so I don't bother. I just use fleets of 5 Asgards vs stations, and fleets of 5 Asgards and 16 destroyers for everything else.

The only reason I don't use destroyers in the anti-station fleets is because they get too close and wipe very easily. Way too much micromanagement. Trying to keep 16 destroyers away from a station is just... no.

[Rogue]

Good to know thanks!! I will have a look at Boost for sure.
I did have some Syns as point defence and that seemed to work ok, may switch to Osakas.

[Erei]

The AI is dumb with the main weapon. I've seen them miss a station. Like, how the hell do you miss a big station that doesn't move ?
I consider asgard mostly a player ship. Teleport in, blew stuff up.

Syn are good for general anti big ship. Use a carrier (with interceptors) for anti small (a shark is good as it's cheap). I used osakas with flak to. Not sure how they compete now.

[Rogue]

Originally posted by Erei:

The AI is dumb with the main weapon. I've seen them miss a station. Like, how the hell do you miss a big station that doesn't move ?
I consider asgard mostly a player ship. Teleport in, blew stuff up.

Syn are good for general anti big ship. Use a carrier (with interceptors) for anti small (a shark is good as it's cheap). I used osakas with flak to. Not sure how they compete now.

Yeah loved the flack, I think it is less effective now.

[Erei]

I use a mod for the flak so it look like flak. Don't know if it affects the changes.

[Rogue]

Originally posted by Erei:

I use a mod for the flak so it look like flak. Don't know if it affects the changes.

Might look that one up.

[Erei]

Originally posted by Rogue:

Originally posted by Erei:

I use a mod for the flak so it look like flak. Don't know if it affects the changes.

Might look that one up.

It's that one :
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2855796852

Haven't played vanilla flak in a long time, so I don't know how they changed in 7.5

[Rogue]

Originally posted by Erei:

Originally posted by Rogue:

Might look that one up.

It's that one :
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2855796852

Haven't played vanilla flak in a long time, so I don't know how they changed in 7.5

Thanks!!