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I know you know why they do this (as I read your later post in this thread), but it's worth pointing out regardless (since what was said, has been said):
"As in the past, these base game updates will be free for all existing X4 players, while purchases of the Mini DLC, such as the X4: Hyperion Pack, will support ongoing development."
DLC like this ship support the free updates to the base game, of which the latest is currently in beta. Without them it would be more difficult to update the base game.
Sure, the devs could release a bigger and more meaningful DLC, but that would take more time and attention away from developing the base game, although no doubt bigger DLC are coming. We all want work done in other areas, and this kind of DLC helps make that happen :)
Well, whatever team made this could have been addressing on going issues. Unfortunately it is more profitable to ignore issues that may be too complex or expensive to address and just focus on making money. I love how much faith you have in the goodness of people. That all goes out the door when you have to put food on the table or, in the case of this community, get that next hot rod or social hierarchy "brag about" "me too" thing.
The fact remains of what you said: "Sure, the devs could release a bigger and more meaningful DLC"
The simple fact is that they haven't and don't....
There's a reason for that, as nice and beautiful as you see it, there's still a reason they haven't.
Whoever makes the ships and meshes for X4 wont magically be fixing the AI, etc. and the games meshes are one of the things that dont need fixing, aside from a missing polygon here or there. (but thats stuff I notice, for reasons, the average player will never see this, so its not important.)
You know, that egosofts financial data is publicly on the internet, and that everyone can see that they arent swimming in cash, right?
That makes little sense when we look at what happened since timelines release, and that they started to work on the braindead "AI" they had until recently, after we were yelling up the tree for almost a year then...
They clearly stated that they will need 7.5 and 8.0 to fix that, but you can go and actually see that they are working on it.
Some of the solutions/changes are 1:1 things I proposed in "that topic", and they werent in the game in beta2... but here you are, talking nonsense that isnt even true to begin with.
Let them cook... and dont worry, if egosoft pulls nonsense-stunts we will call them out on it... if it needs to be, for a year xD
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To me, it looks like timelines (and how the community pretty much collectively set the thing on fire) was a wakeup call for egosoft, because since then, there is a clear difference in their behaviour and actions.
But things dont magically happen, they need to be created first, just like the new flight stuff, the better boost etc. which also is one of the largest changes to X4 we ever had... but hey, egosoft isnt working on the game
Bro, for real now: Chill out, it looks like egosoft "got the message" since a few months
Egosoft using otherwise unused ressources to make a few bucks to finance the future isnt something to slap them for, unless they charge liek 15€ for that ship... but then I will gladly hand out torches and pitchforks to everyone in need :P
I, for once, have no issue buying that ship (even though I am not a PAR player usually), as long as they finally get stuff moving and fix things (and I can see that happening ingame right now.)... instead of working on big DLCs and experiments which will be set on fire by the community so much so, that Rohan is answering the call for aid.
Also, timelines would have been better received, if the game wasnt still as buggy as it was/is... so all of those things go hand in hand. (Anything else than a "ship DLC" wouldnt sit well with many here, as long as the game still has huuuuge issues unresolved, and a metric ton of small things.)
I haven't noticed a difference personally.
When you say "that" are you referring to "brain dead A.I.?
While I respect your viewpoint, I disagree but I can also acknowledge that I could be wrong as I do not know everything, nor am I within the company, as I would imagine you're in a similar position as me.
I have seen nothing official. There has been nothing added to the next year of timeline to address quality of life game play issues, so i disagree with this as well. They are ignoring the issues for now.
Again, all I see is money making ventures while ignoring and kicking the quality of life issues down the road yet another year. I hope I'm proven wrong and I hope your defense for them will be justified, but after Timelines and from what I'm seeing, I'll believe in what I see, not what is said.
Yes. The AI (and its lackluster functions) are pretty much the reason for many issues in the game, and a lot of anger.
Its simply one of the very large issues the game had/has, that need fixing - but its not something everyone at egosoft can just do, hence why they have the capacity to still make a ship DLC.
I also noticed some QoL improvements and other changes, like: new sounds, effects etc.
I know what I proposed, and what I talked about with the people at egosoft, and what I saw in the game a few hours ago
Have you even played beta 7? lol
It took me a few seconds to notice some minor changes that were new to me, last having played beta2.
But, fine, disagree... even though it makes no sense.
YOUR specific QoL issue hasnt been dealt with yet, that might be, yes... but many others have.
Just wait, we had to wait for many years until egosoft finally got around to fixing the AI, or at least starting to work on it.
If egosoft screws up, I remind them of it. I did so when they wrote PR-stuff into announcements that isnt even in the game, and I did so with timelines and other things.
Unlike others, I am just fair enough, to also acknowledge when things are moving forward.
The sheer amount of time I invested into the "AI issues" goes faaaaar beyond "yelling at egosoft", and on top of that I had to fight off a dozen or so people for months on end that were downtalking those issues.
I have, sometimes rather violently (verbally), fought hard to get this game into a better state than it was in the past, and now the results slowly appear in the game.
Donauwelle and many others in this thread can confirm this, because they were there, have seen it.
I am technically on your side :P
Egosoft most likely hates me for that, but I will gladly make myself the entire circus (not just the clown) if it benefits the game, and all of us. (If that also happens to make egosoft more cash, I am fine with that too.)
Yeah... timelines... I can see how that one destroyed trust... but I think the community has spoken in regards to that, when TL was at 35% score or so.
PS: I will refrain from posting the links to egosofts data, no need for troublt - and you also need to know german for it.
At any rate, thanks for the convo. If I ever feel welcome on the Egosoft forum I'll be sure to give that a read. ~ courtesy of Ketrar or whatever that fella's name is.
there describe what the issue is, what you want to improve, and maybe how you would like it to be improved.
do this in a firm but reasonable manner, be precise, no raging or insulting... thats your best chance for this to be "put on the list".
Dont expect it to be fixed immediately, since other things currently are of higher priority.
Feel free to occasionaly bring that topic back up if the issue isnt resolved in a few months or so.
but it might also be that egosoft simply disagrees on your viewpoint/request.
There's no tech to AI generate addons right now. A DLC still requires human work.
Last time I tried combat, turrets on my Cobra could hit stuff, but the overall impression was that with new flight model weapon ranges should be increased 1.5x or so. I reported that, but I think nothing was done about it.
Egosoft is a GmbH, basically the german equivalent of an Ltd. So they have to publish their financial (granularity and so on dependent upon size and other factors). A lot of publications are done at the bundesanzeiger.de , i'm not sure if it's not even mandatory to publish there.
But keep in mind, the reports only need to be in german with Egosoft and the reports have lags of potentially years.
But in short - Egosoft isn't a huge or even big company.
We did go into it in our November 2024 Roadmap news: https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/392160/view/4441205298304123197
You say you wonder why people would give so much credit to making an update to the base game compatible with future updates, or money making ventures...
Are you suggesting that updates to the base game should be incompatible with future updates? This is nonsensical.
Certainly, updates should be compatible with future money making ventures. Egosoft are a business, and like every other business, they exist to make money. People need to eat and buy clothes, etc. We call this system "capitalism".
When you say the team that made the DLC could have been used to address ongoing issues instead, you are overlooking (at least) two things. First, that the devs are currently engaged in a (free) update to address some of these issues, and second, that this ongoing development is funded by income streams such as the DLC. As has already been explained (in the very post you are responding to).
Then you bang on about hot rods and "me too" - sorry, but you completely lost me there. I literally have no idea what you're trying to say. Do you understand what you're trying to say?
I mean you're writing posts complaining that the devs are only going to do stuff they like and which will bring in the most money, and that you're being oppressed because you've been told to stop whinging about a specific element of gameplay... why are you even playing X4? Why are you here?
Finally, your assertion that the devs haven't released bigger DLC is patently false. Last time I played X4 the Boron DLC had just been released, which included a new race, new ships, new sectors, etc. They've released other similar DLC in the past too.
Note: before you potentially waste time with a reply to my post, please do not respond with a tirade of your usual dross. I'm happy to respond to an intelligent reply, but will not waste time on someone I believe to be a troll. Unlike many/most people on this forum, I have a very low tolerance for this kind of behaviour, and am perfectly capable of simply ignoring it.
That said, I generally prefer to give people one or two chances before I write them off.
More power to them. You reap what you sow.
I suppose all that money they made was used on food and housing expenses then? In no way was it for hot rods or excessive luxury.
You must not be from America. In America there is a "me too" or "fad" culture where people look at an idol and imitate it or support it in some way, be it a thing or a celebrity. One example about a decade or so ago was a muscle car called the mustang. Everyone got one. They were so common people would say look there's another "me too" one.
To improve your game for free.
You've been absent for awhile, so you must not be familiar with Timelines.
Glad to see you have more sense than a specific moderator in the community and are willing to use the block or ignore button instead of make nonsense statements thinking that a moderator tag wouldn't show how much of a bully you are.
Well, I know how to agree to disagree and I know how to not oppress people for their viewpoint, unlike others.