Casino

[sebbelino]

I found a station with a casino. Can you actually do anything at the casino besides walking around?

[Pathogenic]

There's been a long discussion about this elsewhere in the forum. Long story short, because Egosoft received government funding for the game, they can't include gameplay that involves gambling.

[Set-115689]

No due to some countries gambling restrictions.

[sebbelino]

I see, thanks!

[db48x]

Thankfully no; the closest this game gets to gacha mechanics is the ship modification system, which requires you to reroll many times to get great stats. Personally, I prefer to use a mod that replaces all the ship mods with mods that give fixed stats, so that there is no rerolling.

[Project Danny]

Nope otherwise they would have to make this game 18+ rating even if its not real money.

[Hydra_360ci]

no.... i guess it has to do with the gambling law, games have now... idk.

You can sell spacebooze at that casino... (there should be a space booze factory in the same sector) only problem is that you can only transfer 150 units at a time... So if you have more, you just have to continue selling it 150 units at a time with a 10 second delay between each trade from the same docked ship.

I think they did that so Automated traders can't make a killing on that certain trade.

[Leo]

"Gambling restrictions" is a bull excuse.
- First Virtual Currency is Insufficient Consideration and Payout. In other words If your gambling with in game credits. Not real money. It's not illegal according to most laws.
- [“Consideration” is an idea from contract law. It is a thing of value – a price or a bargain that a party exchanges for a contractual promise. Without consideration, a contract becomes a bare, unenforceable promise.]
- There was a state lawsuit about virtual in game currency being a thing of value to consider in laws against gambling. However that wouldn't hold for X4 because 'Kater’s holding may not apply with equal force to games where players can access in game currency in other ways than in games of chance. I'E Gambling.
- For instance GTA has a Casino in it.
--- GTA gets around most local Gambling laws, because it's virtual currency, & for places with sticks up their assets, GTA just blocks access to the casino games, You can't use GTA's Casino in; Afghanistan, Algeria, American Samoa, Argentina, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bhutan, Bosnia, Herzegovina, Belarus, Brunei, Cambodia, Cayman Islands, China, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Ecuador, Greece, Iceland, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Maldives, Mali, Mauritania, Malta, Malaysia, North Korea, Oman, Pakistan, Paraguay, Peru, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, South Africa, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Syria, Taiwan, Thailand, Tuvalu, United Arab Emirates, Vietnam, & Venezuela.
--- Another option is to just add mini games that don't have payouts in said places that have stupid strict laws against pretend gambling.

[Project Danny]

Originally posted by Leo:

"Gambling restrictions" is a bull excuse.
- First Virtual Currency is Insufficient Consideration and Payout. In other words If your gambling with in game credits. Not real money. It's not illegal according to most laws.
- [“Consideration” is an idea from contract law. It is a thing of value – a price or a bargain that a party exchanges for a contractual promise. Without consideration, a contract becomes a bare, unenforceable promise.]
- There was a state lawsuit about virtual in game currency being a thing of value to consider in laws against gambling. However that wouldn't hold for X4 because 'Kater’s holding may not apply with equal force to games where players can access in game currency in other ways than in games of chance. I'E Gambling.
- For instance GTA has a Casino in it.
--- GTA gets around most local Gambling laws, because it's virtual currency, & for places with sticks up their assets, GTA just blocks access to the casino games, You can't use GTA's Casino in; Afghanistan, Algeria, American Samoa, Argentina, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bhutan, Bosnia, Herzegovina, Belarus, Brunei, Cambodia, Cayman Islands, China, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Ecuador, Greece, Iceland, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Maldives, Mali, Mauritania, Malta, Malaysia, North Korea, Oman, Pakistan, Paraguay, Peru, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, South Africa, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Syria, Taiwan, Thailand, Tuvalu, United Arab Emirates, Vietnam, & Venezuela.
--- Another option is to just add mini games that don't have payouts in said places that have stupid strict laws against pretend gambling.

It's not about if the currency is real or not its about the addiction.

Gambling real or not real money creates addiction

[Weitsicht]

Originally posted by Leo:

"Gambling restrictions" is a bull excuse.
- First Virtual Currency is Insufficient Consideration and Payout. In other words If your gambling with in game credits. Not real money. It's not illegal according to most laws.
- [“Consideration” is an idea from contract law. It is a thing of value – a price or a bargain that a party exchanges for a contractual promise. Without consideration, a contract becomes a bare, unenforceable promise.]
- There was a state lawsuit about virtual in game currency being a thing of value to consider in laws against gambling. However that wouldn't hold for X4 because 'Kater’s holding may not apply with equal force to games where players can access in game currency in other ways than in games of chance. I'E Gambling.
- For instance GTA has a Casino in it.
--- GTA gets around most local Gambling laws, because it's virtual currency, & for places with sticks up their assets, GTA just blocks access to the casino games, You can't use GTA's Casino in; Afghanistan, Algeria, American Samoa, Argentina, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bhutan, Bosnia, Herzegovina, Belarus, Brunei, Cambodia, Cayman Islands, China, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Ecuador, Greece, Iceland, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Maldives, Mali, Mauritania, Malta, Malaysia, North Korea, Oman, Pakistan, Paraguay, Peru, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, South Africa, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Syria, Taiwan, Thailand, Tuvalu, United Arab Emirates, Vietnam, & Venezuela.
--- Another option is to just add mini games that don't have payouts in said places that have stupid strict laws against pretend gambling.

the question is if you can or want to invest the time and or money for lawyers to check all countrys laws just to make sure your small niche game gets some gambling casinos ..... or it gets banned in some countrys, or is atleast rated for mature audience only

[Gibbo]

GTA gets past the gambling laws by being 18+. Egosoft clearly does not want that, so they left an empty shell for modders to add their version of events.

I dunno about the rest of the EU? But in England you cannot enter any gambling establishment if you are under 18 and parents cannot take their kids with them for a flutter.

Gambling is a mugs game anyway unless you're the house. It's ok for rich people, but most of them are not rich and I've known people to gamble away their rent. It's an addiction like drugs. I had one mate who would pump hundreds into fruit machines while we were out for a beer. He could afford it. Gambling is serious. It can make you lose everything and quicker than a drugs addiction will.

[Project Danny]

Originally posted by Gibbo:

GTA gets past the gambling laws by being 18+. Egosoft clearly does not want that, so they left an empty shell for modders to add their version of events.

I dunno about the rest of the EU? But in England you cannot enter any gambling establishment if you are under 18 and parents cannot take their kids with them for a flutter.

Gambling is a mugs game anyway unless you're the house. It's ok for rich people, but most of them are not rich and I've known people to gamble away their rent. It's an addiction like drugs. I had one mate who would pump hundreds into fruit machines while we were out for a beer. He could afford it. Gambling is serious. It can make you lose everything and quicker than a drugs addiction will.

Exactly and even if its not real money it will still make "some" people want to try it in real life.