Capitalshipweapons useless against fighters - Why ?.

[Grimaldus]

I've been grinding my teeth in aggravation about this situation for a long time,
the fact that weapons are utterly useless against fighters, compared to X3
and even X:R to some extent.
I've seen a Raptor focus 10+ beams on a Xenon-M and it didn't die,
same situation with all other capitalships, even the Erlkin battlship can't can't
even properly and decisevly handle fighters like capitalships could in the older games.

Add to the fact that it is much easier to replace fighters now because we can
order multiple with specific setups . Long gone are the days where we had to buy
60 fighters and setup each manually - unless we used a mod.

So why are capitalship weapons and FLAK to utterly useless against fighters ?.

[Laserak]

Well, beams are pretty much ♥♥♥♥ for actually damaging stuff.
Flak only good for Argon (Flak turn radius of Split is just ♥♥♥♥, the whole design around turret turn radius is ♥♥♥♥ IMO)

[Andros]

Just teleport to a different sector and problem “fixed”

[Titanium Jesus]

Originally posted by Andros:

Just teleport to a different sector and problem “fixed”

Yep. the whole game requires the player not to be present. Bloody amazing design.
I've been testing 7.0 until last night in the vain hope that anything actually changed. Nothing has.

[SpaceToast]

I have been disappointed by capital ships ever since this game released, sadly this will not change, capital ships have no teeth compared to their X3 counterparts. Not once in this game have I thought ''oh crap a capital ship'' theirs no fear or awe factor for them like I had in X3. VRO fixes this somewhat but that requires the use of mods.

[hurepoix]

Originally posted by SpaceToast:

I have been disappointed by capital ships ever since this game released,

If you call a capital ships, what we called a century ago a dreadnought, you have not to be disapointed, since there is none at X4.
Even the Asgard, is not imo a battleship, but more likely a monitor like the WWI HMS Erebus class. In game it makes a good station wrecker.

If a destroyer is warship with large turrets and large shields, Battleships should be equipped with XL turrets and XL shields.

[det2048]

Hmm I'm having slightly different experience. I have a syn that melts through fighters on it's own IS or OOS.

[det2048]

Melt as in it took on Vig swarms with instant kills.

[flywlyx]

Originally posted by hurepoix:

If you call a capital ships, what we called a century ago a dreadnought, you have not to be disapointed, since there is none at X4.
Even the Asgard, is not imo a battleship, but more likely a monitor like the WWI HMS Erebus class. In game it makes a good station wrecker.

If a destroyer is warship with large turrets and large shields, Battleships should be equipped with XL turrets and XL shields.

I would say the major problem is lack of M turrets, Iowa has 20x127mm guns, 80x40mm guns and 49x20mm guns and Asgard only gets 6xM turrets, that is a joke.

[det2048]

Originally posted by flywlyx:

Originally posted by hurepoix:

If you call a capital ships, what we called a century ago a dreadnought, you have not to be disapointed, since there is none at X4.
Even the Asgard, is not imo a battleship, but more likely a monitor like the WWI HMS Erebus class. In game it makes a good station wrecker.

If a destroyer is warship with large turrets and large shields, Battleships should be equipped with XL turrets and XL shields.

I would say the major problem is lack of M turrets, Iowa has 20x127mm guns, 80x40mm guns and 49x20mm guns and Asgard only gets 6xM turrets, that is a joke.

If you had a choice to replace L slots for M, just so you could have your flak would you do it?

[flywlyx]

Originally posted by det2048:

If you had a choice to replace L slots for M, just so you could have your flak would you do it?

Iowa has 20x127mm guns and Asgard only gets 16 L. Now you even want to remove some L turrets?
Raptor is the only ship that has a reasonable armament.

[Zloth]

Give the Asgard some escorts. All those SCA Phoenix ships refitted with flak and L beam turrets do a pretty good job of it, they're cheap, and it isn't so easy to kill all three engines. Odysseus and Rattlesnake should work very well, too. Ray can come along to knock out shields. (Those net launchers have some serious range, too.)

You can even give the Asgard escort weapons. 8 L beams and the flaks can do a decent job, and it isn't like that main beam weapon needs any help against the big targets.

[det2048]

Originally posted by flywlyx:

Originally posted by det2048:

If you had a choice to replace L slots for M, just so you could have your flak would you do it?

Iowa has 20x127mm guns and Asgard only gets 16 L. Now you even want to remove some L turrets?
Raptor is the only ship that has a reasonable armament.

Ok sure.. but would you swap L for M if the game allow you too?

[fade7777]

I put a full set of large beam turrets on my Asgard's with slasher damage mods.. its kills small stuff almost as fast as my Erlking.. anything L or larger gets the main gun... easy!

[Asmosis]

Originally posted by det2048:

If you had a choice to replace L slots for M, just so you could have your flak would you do it?

Another game i played "space pirates and zombies" gave you the option to replace a L turret with 2x M turrets in the same location, swapping range and firepower for accuracy and speed.

For the most part I'm happy with L/XL ships vs S ships though, the turrets do a decent job of taking them out without invalidating S/M ships. If they improved the accuracy, you'd never be able to approach L/XL ships yourself which obviously wouldn't be fun and you'd end up in the position where it's just an arms race with S ships being completely obsolete in short order.

[Gibbo]

My Asgards muller fighters by the bucketload. I use beams and they work fine?

Funny how some have these problems and I never see them? I'd love to know what people are really doing? I mean I don't even mod the beams and they easily swat any fighters that come near them?