What’s the best?

[Chief Smackahoe]

What’s the best?

1. Weapon for M vessels?
2. Turrets for M vessels?
3. Best L miner?
4. Best L trader?
5. Best player ship?
6. Best of the best anything else?

Please include DLCs.

[Duke Flapjack]

I'm going to say the best M-class is either the Teladi Osprey or Peregrine because they look the coolest (I love the texture streaking and overall "beat-up" look) or the Astrid. Now the Astrid is obviously supposed to be THE player ship as it has the most involved interior of any ship in the game.

Of course, this is MY opinion.

[Chief Smackahoe]

I like teladi stuff too but they’re to slow. I use their gun boats to patrol my mining sectors

[Azrelus]

For me:

1. Tau Accelerator, Beam Emitter.
2. Argon Flak
3. I like the Crane, good capacity, good speed, cheap.
4. Buffalo based purely on how it looks
5. Moreya/Kuraokami
6. The Syn is the best destroyer in the game for me.

[Humble]

Publicado originalmente por Gibbo:

Probably not a popular opinion, but for me the best L miner is the crane. Ugly, slow, but built like a brick ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. I've been playing my current save for a while now. Got 2 mega shipyards and building 2 more and the crane by far has outlived any other miner. The new boron L miners are quite good as well, but the crane seems to always come back home unscathed and with a full hold.

There's probably better L miners on paper? But this game isn't played on paper. It's played in space with pew pews.

I do agree L crane is best L miner, due it's had 3 shield spot and speed are very reasonable, but I do wish Terran Hokkaido L Miner got buff one upgrade to 3 spot of shield so it's don't lost to khaak or something like that, it's only had one Shield and I keep lost those Terran Hokkaido L miner to Khaak and Xenon, I love that ship look, but can't use due it's not strong vs Khaak/xenon, lost 20 million credit, meanwhile Crane I do not lost that 20 million credit and it's get job done, but I like that Terran Hokkaido L Miner Look, with power of Crane, not get destroyed easy.

[Chris]

Publicado originalmente por Chief Smackahoe:

I almost went katana but I personally think it’s a hideous ship so I went with the nemesis instead

As others have said or implied, there isn't really a "best", even subjectively, there's only "best in this particular situation". Since you mentioned flying a personal nemesis, here's my suggestion for a personal M ship:

The Terran DLC, Cradle of Humanity, adds in the Yaki faction which have a modified Nemesis called the Kuraokami. Same Hull HP, 1 extra crew member, double the cargo space (AAAAND the cargo space can also hold solid or liquid wares, in case you have an urgent need to transport a raw material). Faster top speed, travel speed, and acceleration, although slightly less responsive when rotating.

Equip this ship with Terran Mk3 combat engines, because Terran engines have ZERO charge delay for travel mode AND barely use up any shields when you trigger boost.

Equip this ship with Terran Mk3 shields, because they're massive.

Equip your center cannon (set as Secondary weapon group) with Argon Ion Blaster Mk2 to SHRED shields, and your outer 4 cannons with Split Thermal Disintigrator Mk2 because those pierce through shields & can damage the hull of a fully shielded target (useful for damaging/destroying shield generators on capital ships).

Turrets can be whatever; I usually put Argon Pulse turrets so I can let them automatically ping capital ships I'm trying to get crew to bail out of, but they could be more useful with Shard or Tracking Missile turrets.


Your ship is now an absolute monster, but why not ramp it up even more.....
In Morning Star, Hewa's Twin, or Trinity Sanctum there are M-sized Prometheus ships flying around. Chase some down, scan them to discover they're pirates, scan them again to reveal their current crew count, then drop their shields & take the hull below 75%. Continue pinging them with the Ion Blaster to keep shields below 25% to politely encourage the crew to seek employment elsewhere until the ship is abandoned. Claim it for yourself, have a spare pilot fly it to a wharf (you DID fill your 9 crew slots with spare pilots, right?) & then park yourself there. In the Ship Dealer section, you'll find a mod workbench, where you can discover all the lovely mods installed on your new Prometheus. Uninstalling those gives you back the primary component, allowing you to install new mods on your Kuraokami! So treat yourself to some faster/stronger shields, or a faster travel speed on your engine.

Oh, but you were jealously eyeing some of those chassis mods? If you've got the Tides of Avarice DLC installed, search Teladi/Avarice space for the S-sized "Raven" ships & go chase those down (ideally by sending a fast S ship of your own to follow them). Scan those, discover that they're cloaked MIN vessels, scan them again to discover crew count & politely encourage their crew to seek employment elsewhere (easier to do if you're flying an S ship) until you can claim the Raven. Same deal: have it flown to a wharf & discover that EVERY. SINGLE. RAVEN. has an exceptional level chassis mod installed, now yours to reinstall on the Kuraokami as a Drag- or Mass-reducing chassis mod that'll make your ship one of the fastest in the galaxy.


Now take your pimped out ride & go terrorize the galaxy!

[Wenzilber]

Publicado originalmente por Humble:

Publicado originalmente por Gibbo:

Probably not a popular opinion, but for me the best L miner is the crane. Ugly, slow, but built like a brick ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. I've been playing my current save for a while now. Got 2 mega shipyards and building 2 more and the crane by far has outlived any other miner. The new boron L miners are quite good as well, but the crane seems to always come back home unscathed and with a full hold.

There's probably better L miners on paper? But this game isn't played on paper. It's played in space with pew pews.

I do agree L crane is best L miner, due it's had 3 shield spot and speed are very reasonable, but I do wish Terran Hokkaido L Miner got buff one upgrade to 3 spot of shield so it's don't lost to khaak or something like that, it's only had one Shield and I keep lost those Terran Hokkaido L miner to Khaak and Xenon, I love that ship look, but can't use due it's not strong vs Khaak/xenon, lost 20 million credit, meanwhile Crane I do not lost that 20 million credit and it's get job done, but I like that Terran Hokkaido L Miner Look, with power of Crane, not get destroyed easy.

Try to build a small fleet of at least 4 cheap fighters (something the equivalent of the Nodan) that attack for an M ship commander. Assign the M ship to defend your vulnerable L miners and L traders. Just make sure that they can Travel nearly just as fast as the L miner or L trader. Some L traders travel faster than fighters and M class ships.

That same small fleet is good enough to deal with most pesky pirates, any Khaaks, and most Xenons (as long as they're not engaging a capital ship). You can set up a custom Alert in the Global Screen to warn you if they see a hostile capital ship so you can deal with it personally. If it's a pirate capital ship, you could make about 10 million credits by boarding it and selling it or keep it in your fleet as a free destroyer.

Their cost is around 5 million credits, which is much faster to get back than having to replace a 10 or 20 million L class ship.

[Chief Smackahoe]

i'd like to re-ask the question. Instead of the best whats your favorite for the above mentioned items?

[Humble]

Publicado originalmente por Chief Smackahoe:

i'd like to re-ask the question. Instead of the best whats your favorite for the above mentioned items?

You mean ship mod? For hull, it's was drag Hull (Nanotube) to help ship go faster, very useful for L and XL, but for small ship maybe hull or Tenacity, a immunity to Hazardous Regions for any ship that I need to go in hazardous like sanctuary of darkness, avarice tide or The Void.
For Shield, Targe or Pavise buff larger shield is most of time, for gun, I think damage and cooldown same time, Annihilator. but it's very rare because it's hard to find those item to upgrade.

Engine, mostly trust forward or travel trust forward, most of time like Slingshot or Vikas.

https://www.qsna.eu/x4/modifications/

[HunterAnubis]

I use gattlings
argon flak
anything works well on autopilot
same
I gess sentinel if you want to be in action / raptor if you want to do it commander style
Raptor can single handedly destroy swarm if fighters even if you dont have fighters in...
M miners are good to if you can guarantee that theres no KHK base near by

[Mordegar]

If you got the Terran DLC, it's usually Terran M Pulse Mk2 for most Corvettes but the Katana in which case it's Proton Barrage Mk2.

Non Terran for M Ship weapons i'd say Split Thermal Disintegrator Mk2, Tau Accelerator Mk2 or M Pulse Laser Mk2 (with Slasher Mod).

M Turrets hands down Argon Flak followed by Argon Pulse.
Beam Weapons are only usable on a Raptor Carrier and need to be amassed to be useful.

Always mod your turrets with the green Slasher mod, cause turrets ignore weapon heat!

Best L Miner? The new boron one. It has almost 8.2k travel drive speed and 40k cargo hold with insanely good shields.
Non DLC would be the Chthonios Defender for me. 7.2k travel drive and 38400 cargo hold.

Best L Trader would be either the Sonra Defender, Shuyaku Vanguard or the Barbarossa.
The Barbarossa gets a special mention here because it's a pimped up Buffalo and better in every aspect, but you need Vigor Rank 20.

Best Player ships would be either of the newer Corvettes like the Kuraokami, the Katana, the Hydra Regal, the older Nemesis or my personal favorite: A pimped up Rattesnake with exceptional Ship mods.
Honorable mention: The *on a budget* starter M ship for me would be the Teladi gunship Sparrowhawk. It's fast for it's size, cheap has 2 main guns and 4 turrets with good alignment.

[arrak]

Point 4: is in my playstyle, only M traders. All parenid M's.

In my game, my L traders get shott down by SCA destroyers.
and, I or K re-target to attack, L traders of mine, as soon as they enter a sector where
these ships are present ...
... so i stick with M trader ships :)

[Lazarus Long]

There is no best. There is only better or worse depending on the state of your game. RNGesus rules in X4 and while some builds are easy in one way they are hard in another. 10,000 Argon Elite fighters can wipe the Xenon off the map, but would you really want to pay for them plus run the game while they are active? Find your own style of play do what makes you happy. After that winning is easy if you have patients.